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For anyone considering Electron: take a look at Tauri. It’s another way to build cross-platform apps with web tech. It will use the OS‘s web rendering engine instead of shipping Chromium which results in much smaller binaries and faster startup times and less RAM usage. You can also write native code in Rust. It’s like Electron but good.
Bad for Linux at the moment...
That being said, it won't improve just by saying it's bad for Linux, if you work as a maintainer in a distro, or know a lot about Linux and rust to help their development then please reach out!!!
The sooner tauri is usable everywhere the more people will prefer it
I didn't try out a Tauri app on linux yet, I just know that it's generally supported. What doesn't work (well) as of now?
First I've heard of this. What's wrong on Linux?
Outdated theming and ~~several widgets(?)that aren't implemented~~ general instability such as random crashes, code not behaving similarly to Mac or Windows, slowdowns, missing packages in builds, a lot of window resizing issues and uh, fuck load of appimage issues
Works fine for me on endeavourOS (Hyprland and i3).
What makes it bad for Linux?
There's actually a pretty cool music player project I'm keeping an eye on called Audioling that's built on Tauri. I currently use one called Feishin which is pretty good.
Yep, using Feishin as well. Audioling is a rewrite from the same dev.
That does seem like a good improvement.
Electron apps are a crime against computing.
A crime commited by techbros of the early 2010's, who envisioned an end to desktop applications, and them being replaced by websites.
To be fair making native aplications was( maybe even still is , the last time i touched anything non abap related was in uni )very unnesecarily complex thing back then especialy compared to the simplicity of web frontend .
I think VSCode is the only stable electron application and even then it took them like 5 years to reach passable stability lol.
Used to crash and combust all the time when I first tried it.
Zed is native and it has way better performance! You can tell it's not Electron!
Etcher seems stable! But it's also a well over 100 MB download for a disk image writer. Rufus does more in less than 1% of the download size and also has a GUI.
Never realized that Etcher was an Electron app and it makes a lot of sense.
- Yes
- Yes, and also delete Electron
- That, and also make me forget I ever even heard about Electron in the first place
what's are the alternatives? I want ease of writing UIs js/CSS/HTML gives, especially with frameworks like svelte.
I'd highly recommend Tauri. It's much much much faster and you can use svelte for the front end and enjoy all of those benefits.
The "downside" is that all of the backend is written in rust which can be trouble to learn... (Downside is in quotes because rust is my favorite language and I would legally marry it if the law cared about the true meaning of love) However! If you don't care much about the backend stuff or most of that is gonna be simple anyway... Just use it. It's better in every way
Edit for context: I'm the lead developer of a "popular" (it's as popular as you can be as a niche tool for a niche community) open source project that uses Tauri with a svelte front end and rust in the back end.
A webpage.
Or, get this, a PWA.
HTML5 applications goddamn well ought to be first-class programs, as a totally platform-agnostic realization of Turing completeness.
Instead you get every application bundled with its own whole-ass operating system and virtual machine. For a fucking webpage. Yep! No other way to run that on a modern computer!
When gecko electron?
(Yes, I know that there has been effort to that, but at one point having gecko and FF seperate was too much work, so it was merged further, so that it's now even harder to create a gecko-based electron. So basically just create a clean FF profile, add all addons you want (uBlock and noscript are useful for some apps), and make a desktop shortcut to open the web page in that specific profile. Funnily enough, it's more lightweight!)
XULRuner use to exist. I ran Chatzilla under it at one point in time.
Any tech college kid can write an app in common frameworks. I'll admit llm code generators are great when they can translate electron apps to say tauri or even better to QT at reasonable cost :)
I’m experimenting with a game and rather than deal with platform specific graphics I’m just targeting wasm and webgl and plan to embed my game in a browser runtime.
It feels less terrible than the mess that is linking platform specific logic and code.
But I'll build an electron app, and have support for Linux /s
will it also have blackjack and hookers?
It'll only have blackjack and hookers.
And yet, the most popular, and desired (and one of the most admired) IDEs that developers use all day, everyday, is built using Electron:
https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology/#2-integrated-development-environment
I'm keeping an eye on Zed: https://zed.dev/
Yeah, AI, whatever. It's written in Rust and looks pretty great.
Why is Spacemacs listed separately to Emacs when it's just a fancy Emacs' config?