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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 187 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Meanwhile, American users are flocking to RedNote because authorities have worked themselves into a lather over privacy concerns about TikTok, while U.S. tech giants harvest user data with industrial efficiency. The difference? American data collection is done for profit, and Chinese data collection is done for control. Pick your poison.

Hard to argue Zuck and Elon don't want control either...

[–] fan0m@lemmy.world 86 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

I’d argue profit and control are two sides of the same coin

[–] ElderReflections@fedia.io 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women."

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Then, when all your desires are fullfilled, you realize that your life is empty because nobody around you actually gives a shit about you and are only using you as a connection to money and/or power. You end up a soulless husk of a human being whose only goal in life is line go up.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Honestly, if they all stopped trying to get more money or power at the point where they have all the women and luxuries they could ever want it would be a vast improvement over the status quo at this point.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago

Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”

Then when you get the power you tell the plebs to make more money. "This is America. If you don't make more money (for me), you're a douchebag".

[–] coherent_domain 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

How do people not think that China is also a hyper capitalistic society, especially in the tech sector. Your data is 100% being sold if you are on any Chinese platform, just like in the U.S.

If anything, Chinese big tech tends to be less privacy-respecting than the west, because they don't need to operate in area with basic privacy laws, like Europe and California; and there are much less alternative products to choose from because of the GFW.

The founder and CEO of Baidu openly stated that "Chinese people are less sensitive about privacy, which gives us more data to work with" See https://m.163.com/dy/article/DDRTB01Q0511FQO9.html?spss=adap_pc

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They all operate under the same laws in any given area. And neither respect your privacy if not forced by laws that are actually enforced.

[–] coherent_domain 3 points 4 months ago

You are right, but I imagine it is harder to sue a company over GDPR if they don't even exists in Europe...

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The difference? American data collection is done for profit, and Chinese data collection is done for control. Pick your poison.

No the difference is that these US companies give the US government a backdoor into everyone's data (while also harvesting it all for profit) while the Chinese apps don't in favor of giving the Chinese government a backdoor into everyone's data. They don't give a shit about propaganda and brainwashing occurring which is why they'll allow the app to stay up in the US just so long as it's an American company controlling it here because then they can install their backdoor for the US government.

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

And all of this social media shit is a distraction from real problems in the world. This is what our government does to run out the clock and prevent meaningful change.

Unfortunately nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] kid2908@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 months ago

The article talks about how America is mirroring China's tactic. So yeah, now they want control too.

[–] takeda@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

This is crystal clear now, but it was less clear before.

I started saying that social media finally figured out how to monetize the platform and it's customers aren't people, aren't even companies, the customers are now billionaires and foreign governments.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago

Yeah, this may have been true before the upcoming administration, but Trump's government (which will be a full-blown oligarchy) absolutely wants Chinese/Russian style control over its citizens.

[–] Rottcodd@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The only winners in this scenario are governments that want more control over their citizens' digital lives.

And that, as the saying goes, is not a bug. It's a feature.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

Man I wish European governments would take more control of our digital town squares that are entirely owned and handled by foreign corporations who seek to erode democracy.

[–] NineMileTower@lemmy.world 55 points 4 months ago (6 children)

What happens when Americans start posting about Hong Kong not being a part of China?

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You mean mainland Taiwan? Never heard of this China.

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 27 points 4 months ago

The same as already happens on lemmy.ml 😂

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 18 points 4 months ago

The same as when Americans posted about the gaza genocide on tik tok, the government cracks down.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago
[–] guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 months ago

Their account gets banned.

Same as any mention of Tienamen Square and anything else the Chinese Government deems unacceptable.

I mean, trying to regulate technology at the speed of American politics was very obviously a nonsensical and futile proposition from the get-go.

[–] don@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Anyone that knows anything about average TT users knew that if the ban was going to happen, that this was going to happen in some way, shape, or form.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 4 months ago

**tearing everything apart

[–] DigitalNirvana@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago

I’m pretty sure Xiao Hong Shu translates to Little Red Note in English. I’m not using it, just clarifying the name to make it seem small / cute. Aduki beans are Xiao hong dou.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

What has social media like tiktok or whatever done to improve peoples lives?

Man, just use Lemmy and stay off those toxic apps. I've had multiple people send me tiktok links and guess what, that shit stays unclicked. I want no part of it.