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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 159 points 6 months ago (6 children)

This shit is straight up evil, will the company be held accountable for their crimes? This is what our justice system is for. Based on what we know so far, more crimes would be bound to come out in an investigation.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 64 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Even if they’re held to account there just gonna Texas two step and declare bankruptcy.

And then spin up another subsidiary and start over,

[–] Tylerdurdon@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I wish it wasn't the case. "Corporations are people too should go both ways... Death penalty if you do evil enough crimes.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I will believe that, "corporations are people," the moment that Texas executes one.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 6 points 6 months ago

This should absolutely happen. And it’s not just because corporations bad. It’s because it would fix the process of risk analysis and decision making.

It’s one thing to have an accident or run into unintended consequences of business decisions. Maybe some of those could carry the death penalty in extreme cases of negligence, but probably not the vast majority.

But if the company spent decades lying and conspiring in order to make some money while destroying lives and killing people left and right? The government should seize all shares of the company (yes even the ones in our 401ks) overnight and detain the officers and directors of the company for the criminal investigation.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 18 points 6 months ago

Individuals who committed these crimes on behalf of the company should be charged with fraud a the very least.

[–] Lon3star@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The justice system that just allowed a convicted criminal to run out the clock on a heinous crime and become president

[–] Zink@programming.dev 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

a heinous crime

Friend, you’re going to have to be WAY more specific than that.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Luigi held them accountable, let’s hope for more

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Did he though? The company is still doing all this shit and making tons of money.

Sure, they publicly mourned him and condemned the killing, but they also went right back to business, making cash hand over fist with no pause or real consideration to what they are doing to their customers at all.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well if the public keeps hearing that they overcharged patients 1000% and that he was CEO during 51,000 denials for life saving health care it may get the jury to not prosecute. Which in turn would mean change your practices or it may be open season on Healthcare executives.

I imagine overhauling their practices and publicly trying to show they are changing them may ensure he gets charged and then they would have to try to float back to ripping people off quietly.

Odds he walks are slim, odds he walks and they don't change their practices which leads to more executives deaths is higher from the outrage I've seen

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

If at first you don't succeed. Try try again.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It’s not the justice system, it’s the legal system

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[–] Vertelleus@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

US Government: Best I can do is a slap on the wrist to the tune of about 0.0000001% of their yearly profits and a hardy, "don't do that."

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

The shareholders are quite pleased with their returns

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 132 points 6 months ago (18 children)

When will we start holding these people accountable? It is easy to say "corporations are bad" and then sit on your hands. It's different to start calling out the people who ultimately make the corporations evil.

We have whole classes of people comfortable fucking people over -- sometimes with deadly consequences.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 25 points 6 months ago

“We” as in society, the government, and the legal system, will never hold them accountable.

Shielding against personal responsibility and liability is one of the bedrock features of American corporations. Piercing the corporate veil is the rare exception and is seen as a big deal. And that’s because the veil protects rich people.

“We” as in highly motivated individuals who may or may not have a plumbing company with their brother, seem the most likely to do something about it.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, the Law is supposed to protect us from Bad People, or so they and the powerful tell us again and again (and again, and again, and again).

Of course, in reality as the Ju$tice System's reaction to Luigi's action compared to their reaction to abusive and even murderous actions done by those hidden behind UnitedHealth makes painfully obvious, the Law mostly protects powerful Bad People from our reaction to those people doing Bad Things.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 75 points 6 months ago (1 children)

America is going to miss Lina Khan a lot in the next 4 years.

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[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just fucking write “tenfold”, Jesus fuck.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Edit:
I'm an idiot

[–] Smashfire@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago
[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 31 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] SaintWacko@slrpnk.net 49 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 15 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Why are people struggling with this so hard?

[–] JoeyHarrington@lemmy.ca 44 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Because it's a stupid, non standard way to say it. I understood it fine but I still thought it was a needless abbreviation.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (13 children)

Why are you not upset by it?

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[–] Steve@communick.news 32 points 6 months ago (2 children)

10x what they should've paid

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah 1000% is 10x but they were charged 11x what they should have paid. Overcharged by (over) 10x.

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

11 times what they should have paid unless you think that “overcharging by 100%” would be charging exactly the right price or if you feel that all medication should be ~~free~~ somewhat cheaper. Or more expensive. Whichever way the math works for that.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (3 children)

They were charged 11x what they should have paid. they were overcharged 10x, because they would still have been expected to pay the original (1x) charge.

The 1k% refers to the overcharge, so they are technically correct.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

Unchecked capitalism is really something, huh?

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

So people are going to jail over this and proper hard measures are going to be taken to address the obvious imbalance of power that allows companies like this to do this over and over again right? They're not just going to give the company another slap on the wrist fine that won't even cover how much money they've stolen from people, leaving them still making a profit for doing this and leaving the door wide open for more abuse like that to happen over and over again, right?

Right?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 9 points 6 months ago
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