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[–] Foni@lemm.ee 266 points 4 months ago (2 children)

In other words, a company, acting on behalf of its own shareholders, tells a government, which represents 100% of the citizens in a given territory, to shove its legislation where the sun doesn’t shine. And not only is this not inherently absurd, but it also stands a significant chance of succeeding in getting the government to comply.

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[–] AceSLS@ani.social 150 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Good, hope they get banned in the EU so people will switch to competitors

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 71 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I could see the EU backing down a few years ago, but these days they have watered down any actual advantage in search by filling their results with ads and low quality content. Not that I use Reddit any more, but a good Reddit search engine would probably be better for a lot of use cases.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Then you got people like Musk using their websites as foreign influence platforms to restore Nazis into power so I'd imagine there's an appetite for not being so reliant on the increasingly belligerent US media oligarchy, which itself is the victim of Fox News and Murdoch.

Plus everything is already enshittified anyway so easy to create better.

[–] Petter1@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Luckily google bought exclusive rights to query Reddit

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Except reddit is all ai-generated bullshit now. Unless you search before 2024, searching reddit is literally useless, and that's all going to be out of date so quickly

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

DuckDuckGo: Use us because Google is so evil they were banned in Europe

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[–] MaxPow3r11@lemmy.world 97 points 4 months ago

Damn.

Wish the rest of us could just ignore all laws & not face any consequences.

What a fucking joke this entire system is.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 73 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Given that we are going full authoritarian fascist now, perhaps the EU should ban Google, given the US tik tok precedent.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What a twist. In the 90s, the internet forced countries to wake up to the new modern era. It was a combination of American companies wanting both to expand and provide goodwill.

And now, this new era is going to tell American companies to fuck off.

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Democracies around the world rightly shouldn't tolerate the blatant corruption and manipulative business practice of American tech companies.

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 72 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Google has told the EU that it will not comply with a forthcoming fact-checking law.

Perfect time to implement sky-high fines for non-compliance.

[–] ours@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Ah, but that's why US Big Tech is splooshing cash all over President Felon and hoping he saves them from evil communist European consumer protections.

[–] CitizenKong@lemmy.world 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yep, they're hoping Trump will pressure the EU to get rid of their pesky consumer protections. They don't even make any profits for billionaires!

[–] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Yes, the EU will certainly kowtow to him and bend the knee. 🙄

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[–] oh_@lemmy.world 60 points 4 months ago

Time for EU to simply ban Google then for non compliance.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 58 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Fine the heck out of them then. If they don't pay the fine ban em. Plenty of alternatives out there. More competition in the search engine market would be better anyways.

Not too big of a fan of banning companies as the hurdles should be decently high... Especially if many people rely on their service but if they won't comply with our jurisdiction long term I see this as the only option as fees can not be order of business to pay

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[–] HaiZhung@feddit.org 48 points 4 months ago

I get the sentiment, who doesn’t want to dunk on Google?

But the headline is needlessly inflammatory. There is no law yet; and google essentially is saying please please don’t implement it, it totally doesn’t make sense.

Don’t get me wrong, the EU should still implement it. And once it is law; Google will also comply.

[–] Geobloke@lemm.ee 46 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I hate community notes, it's a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability.

I also hate these big international tech companies. Forget too big to fail, these are too big to change. We are all techno peasants and they are our tech lords

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

I hate community notes, it's a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability

And it lets certain communities brigade the notes with misinformation/disinformation to try and control the narrative.

[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I hate community notes, it’s a cost free way of fact checking with no accountability.

I don't think it's necessarily bad, but it can be harmful if done on a platform that has a significant skew in its political leanings, because it can then lead to the assumption that posts must be true because they were "fact checked" even if the fact check was actually just one of the 9:1 ratio of users that already believes that one thing.

However, on platforms that have more general, less biased overall userbases, such as YouTube, a community notes system can be helpful, because it directly changes the platform incentives and design.

I like to come at this from the understanding that the way a platform is designed influences how it is used and perceived by users. When you add a like button but not a dislike button, you only incentivize positive fleeting interactions with posts, while relegating stronger negative opinions to the comments, for instance. (see: Twitter)

If a platform integrates community notes, that not only elevates content that had any effort at all made to fact check it (as opposed to none at all) but it also means that, to get a community note, somebody must at least attempt to verify the truth. And if someone does that, then statistically speaking, there's at least a slightly higher likelihood that the truth is made apparent in that community note than if none existed to incentivize someone to fact check in the first place.

Again, this doesn't work in all scenarios, nor is it always a good decision to add depending on a platform's current design and general demographic political leanings, but I do think it can be valuable in some cases. (This also heavily depends on who is allowed access to create the community notes, of course)

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Didn't a year ago or so, Some European lawmaker made a vague hint in support of something that involved regulations on social media, and Elon replied "go fuck yourself" verbatem?

Play hardball, or surrender and give them what they want. there's no compromise or middle ground with these techbro fascists

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Google is basically saying the EU couldn't do its own subpar search and they're not brave enough to try.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If the links in the article are accurate, this doesn't seem to be a "law", but this thing: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/code-practice-disinformation

Anyone know more about it than I could quickly find? Is this in any way legally enforceable?

Obviously, I believe that governments have no legitimate business whatsoever telling us on the Internet what we can talk about, say to each other, etc.; but I would still like to know more about this particular attempt by the EU to do so anyway, so would appreciate more information.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The DSA contains provisions for combatting disinformation and as a very large online platform google is required to implement suitable practices. The DSA is a regulation, that is, immediately applicable law in all of the EU. As is usual for laws it's written pretty generically and abstract, though, so the commission is also publishing more detailed documents that companies can use as check-lists.

In essence, the difference between the tax code and the finance ministry publishing a paper on accounting best practices. You're free to ignore the latter but that will likely make your life harder than it needs to be.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fascism is good for business.

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[–] penguinclaw@lemm.ee 21 points 4 months ago

Unbelievable 2025 is turning out to be a stellar year

[–] Aurix@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

We need fact checkers more than community notes. Because disproving a claim takes a lot of time and skill, and notes will be abused for financial and personal gain in the long run. Perhaps it is also better to use the word content moderator instead of fact checker, as finding the ultimate truth isn't possible, unless you just present a mathematical proof.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 months ago

wish the eu would just actually ban american companies there is really no need for them anyway

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is definitely to avoid the ire of fuhrer trump. It's also coincidence that meta is abandoning fact checking right before the new administration

He will sic the dogs of regulation on them if they don't dance to his tune

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

Google, this is t he EU, not America, they're not going to suck up to you.

[–] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 months ago

Sovereign citizens are really getting out of hand. Oh wait it's google.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

And not a single bit of this would matter at all if YOU PEOPLE* would just know a damned thing!

*present company excepted, of course.

[–] Weeby_Wabbit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 4 months ago (7 children)

France's tech sector: "Zis is mon' Chanz to shine!"

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[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 8 points 4 months ago

So, another “cookie banner” coming then, but this one says: “facts not checked”

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