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Memory transfer was a biological process proposed by James V. McConnell and others in the 1960s. Memory transfer proposes a chemical basis for memory termed memory RNA which can be passed down through flesh instead of an intact nervous system. Since RNA encodes information[1] living cells produce and modify RNA in reaction to external events, it might also be used in neurons to record stimuli.[2][3][4] This explained the results of McConnell's experiments in which planarians retained memory of acquired information after regeneration. Memory transfer through memory RNA is not currently a well-accepted explanation and McConnell's experiments proved to be largely irreproducible.[5]

In McConnell's experiments, he classically conditioned planarians to contract their bodies upon exposure to light by pairing it with an electric shock.[6][5] The planarians retained this acquired information after being sliced and regenerated, even after multiple slicings to produce a planarian where none of the original trained planarian was present.[5] The same held true after the planarians were ground up and fed to untrained cannibalistic planarians, usually Dugesia dorotocephala.[5][7] As the nervous system was fragmented but the nucleic acids were not, this seemed to indicate the existence of memory RNA[5] but it was later suggested that only sensitization was transferred,[6] or that no transfer occurred and the effect was due to stress hormones in the donor or pheromone trails left on dirty lab glass.[2] However, other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[1][8][9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_transfer

Current Science

https://journals.biologists.com/jeb/article/216/20/3799/11714/An-automated-training-paradigm-reveals-long-term

Planarian flatworms are a popular system for research into the molecular mechanisms that enable these complex organisms to regenerate their entire body, including the brain. Classical data suggest that they may also be capable of long-term memory. Thus, the planarian system may offer the unique opportunity to study brain regeneration and memory in the same animal. To establish a system for the investigation of the dynamics of memory in a regenerating brain, we developed a computerized training and testing paradigm that avoided the many issues that confounded previous, manual attempts to train planarians. We then used this new system to train flatworms in an environmental familiarization protocol. We show that worms exhibit environmental familiarization, and that this memory persists for at least 14 days – long enough for the brain to regenerate. We further show that trained, decapitated planarians exhibit evidence of memory retrieval in a savings paradigm after regenerating a new head. Our work establishes a foundation for objective, high-throughput assays in this molecularly tractable model system that will shed light on the fundamental interface between body patterning and stored memories. We propose planarians as key emerging model species for mechanistic investigations of the encoding of specific memories in biological tissues. Moreover, this system is lik ely to have important implications for the biomedicine of stem-cell-derived treatments of degenerative brain disorders in human adults.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 107 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I vote that we test whether this works with billionaires too.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 69 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It does! If you teach one billionaire a lesson about the power of the working class, blend them and feed them to another billionaire, the other billionaire will have learned the same lesson.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Follow up question: do you need to feed one blended billionaire to one unblended billionaire, or would it be sufficient to feed just a certain percentage?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

considering their apparent inability to learn, if you manage to teach 1 humility you’d best not waste it: feed the whole billionaire to the next, and then repeat the process until all billionaires in the world are selfless and humble

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

ie, the one remaining billionaire ?

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

if the experiment succeeded and they’re both selfless and humble that number should be 0

[–] Trilobite@lemm.ee 49 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 months ago

Well that song is stuck in my head for the next couple days.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Well, they are parasitic, after all.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That is an insult to parasites.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 17 points 5 months ago

Exactly. Even most parasites have an ecological function.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Cannibalistic, even, by some scholarly definitions of consumption.

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I remember reading that caterpillars can retain information like this when they metamorphose, during which they basically dissolve into a biological slush before becoming butterflies.

[–] zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 52 points 5 months ago (2 children)

A lot of the structures are already there and the common conception of turning completely into goo and then reassembling isn’t correct.

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago

It couldn't be just something easy, like turning into goo and back to solid again. No, it has to be something that makes the body horror in The Thing look like nothing but a scratch.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago

It's mostly correct. The only remaining structures are the imaginal discs, which can each be as few as 50 cells. There is also a link to some awesome pictures in there.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 36 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So does this mean we can make a Kwisatz Haderach or not?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 months ago

You fool, that would take centuries of selective breeding...

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Is that real this chemical memory?

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 72 points 5 months ago (2 children)

McConnell's experiments proved to be largely irreproducible.

Apparently not so much.

[–] FantasmaNaCasca@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"(...)However, other experiments seem to support the original findings in that some memories may be stored outside the brain.[1][8][9]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_transfer

[–] Qwazpoi@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago

The memory is stored in the balls?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 5 months ago

Got a link for a debunked tag?

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 12 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I added some more context to the body. :)

[–] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago

Apparently, if that context in the body is eaten, it will be remembered by the head

[–] big_fat_fluffy@leminal.space 20 points 5 months ago

If we could do emotional memory transfer then we wouldn't need movies anymore.

Movies are an indirect way of evoking emotions.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably where sg-1 got the idea for gaould racial memory

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago

Obviously these leeches are Reverend mothers who've undergone the spice agony to unlock their genetic memories.

[–] johny@feddit.org 11 points 5 months ago

What are the chances, I just read this ‚fact‘ today in The Forever War by Joe Haldeman and was already kinda doubtful.

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 8 points 5 months ago

Goddam. This is when the power of regeneration makes nightmare fuel.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So what you are saying is that we should take any scientist that days, make a milkshake of them and feed the next batchnof scientists?

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's what ended the super advanced lost civilizations. They all get advanced enough to figure out feeding scientists to younger scientists preserves knowledge and advances the pace of technological advancement.

Problem is they didn't know that it only works once and they ended up killing leaders of innovation and feeding them to children and forgot everything, leading to ruin.

Read your Bibles people, its all in there.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

it's all in there

Porn included

[–] wowwoweowza@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Came here to say this.