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House Democrats, led by Rep. Pramila Jayapal, introduced the We the People Amendment to overturn Citizens United, aiming to curb corporate influence in elections.

The constitutional amendment asserts that constitutional rights apply only to individuals, not corporations, and mandates full disclosure of political contributions.

Jayapal cited Elon Musk’s massive campaign spending and subsequent financial gains as proof of the ruling’s harm.

Advocacy groups praised the move, calling it necessary to combat corporate power and dark money in politics, but Republicans have not backed the proposal.

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[–] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 164 points 4 months ago (11 children)

This is one of the single biggest changes we can make to our current electoral system.

Should’ve done this in 2021. This could’ve changed the 2024 election entirely.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

What did they do in 2021 instead?

Probably nothing else going on really. They're just lazy and fat off corporate cash piles, obviously.

[–] Gointhefridge@lemm.ee 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nothing. That’s the problem. Democrats are so afraid to play an opposition party cause it will negatively affect party leadership and top donors. They want the status quo and are more than likely benefiting from the Trump regime in many ways.

Make no bones about it: top Democrats have been complacent with a hostile takeover of the US government because it is benefiting them.

Progressive Democrats and party newcomers are seeing this reality. They tried to play the game for a bit but got burned like Bernie did. Some democrats are finally growing a backbone to stand up against geriatric party leadership.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Make no bones about it: top Democrats have been complacent with a hostile takeover of the US government because it is benefiting them.

I mean, I'd make a few bones about it. The best time to be an excellent Progressive party is 50 years ago. The next best time is now, though.

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[–] resin85@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I'm surprised how quickly people forgot the very first bill the Democrats introduced in 2021 addressed this very topic. The Republicans in the senate killed it.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/1

Passed House (03/03/2021) For the People Act of 2021

"This bill addresses voter access, election integrity and security, campaign finance, and ethics for the three branches of government.

Specifically, the bill expands voter registration (e.g., automatic and same-day registration) and voting access (e.g., vote-by-mail and early voting). It also limits removing voters from voter rolls.

The bill requires states to establish independent redistricting commissions to carry out congressional redistricting.

Additionally, the bill sets forth provisions related to election security, including sharing intelligence information with state election officials, supporting states in securing their election systems, developing a national strategy to protect U.S. democratic institutions, establishing in the legislative branch the National Commission to Protect United States Democratic Institutions, and other provisions to improve the cybersecurity of election systems.

Further, the bill addresses campaign finance, including by expanding the prohibition on campaign spending by foreign nationals, requiring additional disclosure of campaign-related fundraising and spending, requiring additional disclaimers regarding certain political advertising, and establishing an alternative campaign funding system for certain federal offices.

The bill addresses ethics in all three branches of government, including by requiring a code of conduct for Supreme Court Justices, prohibiting Members of the House from serving on the board of a for-profit entity, and establishing additional conflict-of-interest and ethics provisions for federal employees and the White House.

The bill requires the President, the Vice President, and certain candidates for those offices to disclose 10 years of tax returns."

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden could have arrested Trump on January 21st, and that would have been that

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[–] fbn@slrpnk.net 101 points 4 months ago (2 children)

would have been more useful when you had any kind of power to get a bill passed, but thanks anyway i guess

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 74 points 4 months ago (11 children)

Stow that shit. This is exactly what they need to be doing. They need to make the argument to the American people that they have better ideas and a better plan for America, and then create a voting record for Congress so they can beat them in the next election. Of course it won't pass, but if they give up without even trying, then the Nazis can act like they are the only option.

[–] fbn@slrpnk.net 40 points 4 months ago (4 children)

I agree, but i aint gonna stow it. Why didnt they introduce it when they were able to maybe pass it? Im not going to refrain from criticizing them just because worse people are in power.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

when they were able to maybe pass it?

Lmfao when was this? A constitutional amendment of any kind has zero chance of getting passed by anyone and hasn't in the entire time the Citizens United ruling has existed.

Democrats around that time could barely muster enough votes from the Republicans to pass the milquetoast, conservative ACA via simple majority. You're deluded if you think Democrats ever could've plausibly reversed Citizens United via amendment.

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[–] edg@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A bill can't overturn a SCOTUS ruling on the constitutionality of something. That's why they are proposing an ammendment.

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[–] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So they throw this impossible task out there, something they can put all their energy and rhetoric into which will ultimately not bear results in my lifetime, and they can say see I was fighting against this tyranny.

This is such a bald-face transparent PR move I hope everyone sees it for what it is.

[–] SGGeorwell@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (8 children)

They’ve had multiple chances to fix this when they had real power. They’re idiots.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

They’re idiots

They're idiots, or.. they are insincere.

The reality that people who vote Democrat loyally, especially white, middle income, NPR listening, card carrying liberals, need to come to terms with is this:

The Democratic party doesn't work for you.

The leadership of the Democratic party, it's party managers, the ones who hold real power: they do not share your same interests. It's always been performative. The vast majority of Democrats never meant any of it. The few that do are refused any real leadership or power. Every time they've had the votes to do something, anything, there is always a technical or procedural excuse. And when they now the thing can't pass, they use the opportunity to show their bonafide: precisely when it has no cost. The current political situation were in would be impossible without the weakness and persistent cuckoldry coming from the Democratic party.

It's a waste of time to invest further in the Democratic party. They were never going to come to your rescue, now less than ever when they are most needed. American leftist already knows this, it's time for the American liberal to develop a sense of shame at their unwillingness to oppose the baseless, performative bullshit they've come to accept as politics from the DNC.

We need a new political project. The DNC is cooked.

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[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 57 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Jfc. They and both houses of Congress multiple times since Citizens United and didn't do shit. Bringing it up now, when it won't even get through Congress, let alone the states, is a fucking distraction

[–] edg@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Even then they never had the support to pass this or any constitutional ammendment.

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I hate to say it but proposing a constitutional amendment is just virtue signaling at this point. There isn’t a snowballs chance in hell this passes even with 100% democrat support.

I appreciate the thought and effort but put forth legislation that actually has a chance at passing.

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 37 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Virtue signaling is an important act for a minority party. It lets the base know what you stand for and what your opponents stand against. This is something with broad public appeal yet low congressional support (because politicians like monies). It's something you can hit your opponents with and, with a snowball's chance, you might actually make progress in passing.

"I want to take money out of politics, my opponent is captured by rich billionaires. They don't serve you, they serve the billionaires" It's an ad that writes itself.

This is something dems should be doing, especially since the last election was them running away from policy and instead doubling down on how much their policy isn't different from the average republican's. We saw how that turned out.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Wow so brave. \s \s \s

Seriously tho. These people are phony AF. They had 4 years to actually do this. This is just political theater.

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

I mean, they had 14 years didn't they?

Have they ever tried to pass an ammendment for this?

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago

Do this and keep doing it until it works. This isn't a moonshot. It's normal, sensible change. Everybody shut your fucking mouths with all this secondary "it isn't going to work now" bitch energy. Get behind the shit you want, loudly.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It is with a sense of similar urgency that I am proposing an amendment to make every Thursday a national holiday.

Like the Democrats, I also do not have any power to enact this, let alone enforce it, but the important part is that I proposed something impossible instead of actually doing literally anything to stop this.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Yup more useless posturing.

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[–] RufusFirefly@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Instead of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks, immediately get rid of the gerontocracy (Schumer, Pelosi), regroup, find a leader with some balls and declare open warfare on Republicans. It's not like there isn't any ammunition.

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[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago

Absolutely disingenuous to report this as "house Dems", as though the liberal (i.e. conservative) Dems are in on it. They are not. These are progressive Dems who propose this basically every year, and who are actually fighting for us, not corporations and profits. Liberal Dems then work with their Republican friends to shut it down. This is why liberal Dems are as much the enemy as the Republicans.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Where was this a decade ago?

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Because there's no chance in hell that this will pass under a Republican majority.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago

Yeah, the sole reason they're suggesting it now is because they know it's too little too late. It will go nowhere and we all know this, them Dems will be like 'oh but we tried!' Fucking useless.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Long overdue, and probably too late.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 months ago (6 children)

That would have been useful and a great idea over a decade ago.

Now it's just "let's do this" and nothing will happen. Its too late.

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[–] andxz@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

Way too little, way too late.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Do not waste time talking about a non-starter.

You need 290 votes in the House, you have (at most) 215. You need 75 Republicans to flip.

If, miracle of miracle, that happens, it goes to the Senate where you need 60 votes to end a filibuster, you have (at best) 47. You need 13 Republicans breaking rank to end cloture + 7 more to pass it.

Then it goes to the states for ratification, you need 38. In 2024 19 states went to Harris which means you need all of them +19 Trump states.

Yeahhh...

[–] Anti_Face_Weapon@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The thing is, at the very least this forces the Republicans (and for that matter Democrats) to pick a side on the issue.

Citizens United is extremely unpopular with the Republican base, as it is with the Democrat base. If a Republican voter sees that their Congress person voted to maintain citizens United, they might be upset.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Do the people in these comment sections not grasp how Constitutional amendments work?

It requires two thirds of the Senate. Which Democrats have not had in the past half century.

That is why Democrats didn't try it when they had a majority. Because it would not work.

People really just want an excuse to blame Democrats for everything.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

It's far more complicated than that to get an amendment passed including a route that doesn't require Congress.

Second, there is value in trying things that will fail. It sends a signal to the citizenry that this isn't acceptable. This can be a good just as much as it can damage their reputation. In my opinion, the Dems need to rebuild a reputation that is connected to the people in some meaningful way. I don't get the sense that Democratic leadership see that as the core issue

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[–] Australis13@fedia.io 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I can't quite decide if this is just virtue signalling or not from the Democrats. I know some of them would genuinely support it, but this feels very much like it is too little, too late - if they were actually serious about saving democracy in the US, they could have done this when it actually stood a chance of being useful.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Criticism against CU isn't new, Dems had every opportunity to propose this when they had control of the WH and Congress just 3 years ago. Only now are they making a scene of reeling back corporate influence because they know it'll never pass

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[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Now they ask for this? After having zero majority in either house? Acter letting a nazi waltz into the white house?

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats have a long history of waiting until Republicans hold a majority in both houses to propose milquetoast change.

Keeps their name in the papers without actually having to do anything.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes. Suture up that corpse.

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Wouldn’t it be nice if they did shit like this when they were actually in power?

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[–] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Freefall@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

To late, but DO IT!!

[–] bizzle@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Citizens United has been fucked since jump

[–] inbeesee@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Seems like they realize repubs are winning the 'get rich taking bribes' game so hard it's erasing America. Seems like it's bad enough to alienate donors? Edit: a word

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Pelosi also got rich taking bribes. Only socialists like Sanders and AOC actually fight for us

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