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The answer to "what is Firefox?" on Mozilla's FAQ page about its browser used to read:

The Firefox Browser is the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit that doesn’t sell your personal data to advertisers while helping you protect your personal information.

Now it just says:

The Firefox Browser, the only major browser backed by a not-for-profit, helps you protect your personal information.

In other words, Mozilla is no longer willing to commit to not selling your personal data to advertisers.

A related change was also highlighted by mozilla.org commenter jkaelin, who linked direct to the source code for that FAQ page. To answer the question, "is Firefox free?" Moz used to say:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it, and we don’t sell your personal data.

Now it simply reads:

Yep! The Firefox Browser is free. Super free, actually. No hidden costs or anything. You don’t pay anything to use it.

Again, a pledge to not sell people's data has disappeared. Varma insisted this is the result of the fluid definition of “sell” in the context of data sharing and privacy.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 63 points 2 months ago

said Ajit Varma, veep of Firefox Product

Pack up your shit, and get the FUCK out. You're a fucking disgrace.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Given that this is a privacy community, I would think that it would go without saying, But I just like to point out, We should probably disable Firefox sync if were using it. Log out of Firefox accounts in the browser. Even if you're not giving them telemetry they have all that data.

~~You can use the x bookmarks sync plugin, Don't make an account with them just use the un-logged in plugin to backup and restore your bookmarks between browsers. On the upside it'll even let you copy bookmarks from Firefox derivatives to Chrome derivatives.~~

Go down a comment or two and use Floccus, Just converted it's wonderful

at their location. However the want it

[–] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Alternative to FF Sync?

I Iove this shit. Send to devices, multiple devices, bookmarks, passwords..

[–] ookiiBoy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Xbrowsersync for bookmark syncing. Works across browsers. A real password Manager, like Bitwarden, for passwords.

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[–] Whooping_Seal@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago (3 children)

For sending things to devices I use KDE Connect. I realize it is a fundamentally different application, but it is what I use generally to send / receive links between devices, as well as documents, images etc. It also is good for notification mirroring, and really just integrating Android devices into Windows / Linux computers.

For passwords I used KeePass (and I sync them between devices with SyncThing), but I usually recommend Bitwarden (which is what I used to use). Both are open source, have apps for all platforms, can integrate into your browser if you choose. The main advantage of Bitwarden is that it is open source, all necessary features are free, and you can host the server yourself if you want. It also integrates into some services, notably email aliasing ones, to allow you to generate new emails every time you make a new account.

For bookmarks / history your best bet is the extension everyone else is recommending here!

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[–] Technotica@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago (18 children)

Soo... where do we go now? What open source alternative exists that is on the side of its users?

[–] lena@gregtech.eu 44 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Just keep using Firefox. Nothing in the code has changed, and if it does you can switch to forks. You all are evangelizing about how important FOSS is to prevent this exact scenario and yet you keep switching browsers for no need at all.

Note: I love Foss, I just think this is an overreaction

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Oh sure, but browsers are an entirely different beast.

Eventually, they'll take it closed source, now I know what you're thinking "Then one of the forks will just become the dominant one!"

But here's the thing, the browser engine is very complicated just to keep up with. The W3C spec that all engines must follow is thousands of pages long. So all those forks will wither and die once the engine has been cut off from upstream updates.

None of those forks touch the engine as-is

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

I mean, FOSS doesn't prevent this on its own. We should probably all switch to LW and try to keep an eye that those telemetry settings don't become disabled upstream.

Also of concern would be anyone using Firefox accounts and sync.

[–] TuxEnthusiast@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago
[–] Dimmer@leminal.space 6 points 2 months ago

Zen Browser

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[–] qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Soon the only private option left will be to curl the website, read the html and picture it in my head.

[–] ruplicant@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

stallman was right

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Are there any specifics about this? It all seems fairly theoretical to me. What do they [want to] do that contradicts "doesn't sell your personal data" within the context of the fluid definition of "sell"? Do they sell my personal data or don't they? What definitions of "sell" are relevant here?

It's all sounding a bit Bill Clinton to me: "it depends on your definition of 'is'."

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[–] Avenging5@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Now that Mozilla's fucked. What's the next option that's not Chromium?

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)
  • Mozilla is sliding down a slippery slope to enshitification; but they're still near the top of that slide. The bad stuff hasn't actually come yet. So Firefox is still top-tier in the short term.
  • In the medium term, we can look towards a fork such as Librewolf or Waterfox.
  • And in the long term, we'll probably turn to a new project using Ladybird or Servo.
[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 6 points 2 months ago

It do be a slippery slope though

[–] dai@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Ladybird in a few years, forks of Firefox for now.

[–] SirHery@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

A different fork from firefox like librewolf

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[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

"Flamed", that's a new one

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

Tim’s an old one, actually. Back in the old internet forum days, flaming was the act of going off on someone during an argument. Most forums even had “no flaming” rules, that could result in warns or outright bans if a mod thought an argument had gotten out of hand.

To be clear, flaming is the act of insulting the user, not the act of arguing against them. You can argue against a user without attacking the user directly.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's an OLD one. Wow I haven't heard that term in like 20 years

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[–] Kuvwert@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I wanna hear them get SLAMMED

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

Come on and SLAM and welcome to the JAM

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[–] B0NK3RS@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Another year another browser to avoid. It's an endless cycle...

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