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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 75 points 4 months ago (6 children)
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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 63 points 4 months ago (3 children)

no one is this meek. this is collusion. they're complicit, and it's not by accident. they've always been this way.

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 12 points 4 months ago

Democratic politicians suck up Super PAC money the same as Republicans. It's just that Republicans just do other forms of corruption out in the open because they know their voters are too stupid to notice.

Trump scamming people with memecoin currency, MAGA doesn't care.

[–] Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the correct take. Dems are owned by corporations, conservatives are owned by oligarchs (and corporations, but I don't think corporations are too happy with what's going on with Trump and Musk)

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[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I've often been a defender of Democrats being realistic, but Schumer is on some bullshit here.

It’s unclear what, if anything, Schumer got in return for his decision to allow the House bill to proceed

Says it all right there. The Republican bill was just a list of laughably insane things they knew Democrats would oppose so they could blame the shutdown on them. It actually cuts funding of DC's local budget forcing them to fire teachers and even cops. Again, nothing to do with the federal government. It just grabs power from a local government and says that they can't use their own local tax revenues to educate kids and fight crime. It's complete rabid insanity that has no point other than to bully a blue city. And Schumer's like "Sure, ok. whatever."

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The budget also cuts medicare and medicaid by some pretty substantial amounts, among many other government programs.

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the CR. This allows for more time to work on that budget... which only needs 51 votes because of reconciliation.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 29 points 4 months ago

The US has no form of vote of no confidence. So therefore no way to have consequences for bad governing outside of the voting period, which has its own problems. Importantly here is the need for quick backlash rather than wait two or more years to choose someone else (if there is anyone else allowed to be a pick).

A lot of the flaws in the government are inherent from the beginning because there were certain expectations assumed, and that a document of rules can't be perfect the first, second, or even only a third time. It needs consistent revisions to keep up with the needs of the group it is designed for. This is where the biggest failure has happened, and can be attributed to lack of attention, not wanting to change what seems to work, sacred holding of what was never meant to be set in stone, or just that it often benefited not being changed at the time by those with the power to change it.

Add to all that a very short attention spanned public, fine tuned to be ignorant and forgetful as well as easily manipulated by the simplest of sound bites.

The rot is in the walls. Not that the American Experiment was a bad thing, it's just that it wasn't maintained and updated, so you get eventual decay.

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Only if you’re ready for a decades long campaign to flip towns, cities, districts, and state level legislatures like it took the republicans from 1972 to just a month ago.

That’s what we’re up against.

[–] jimmux@programming.dev 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The US needs to break the two-party system so minor parties and independents actually have a chance at representation.

Of course there's no incentive for the establishment to do that. Is there any way for new candidates to run with the major parties, but on a platform to introduce preferential voting when they have the numbers? I don't know much about factions within US parties, but they certainly exist in my country, and can transform parties quickly if they think they have election-winning appeal.

It would have to happen bottom-up, as you say, so people can get comfortable with such a big change. Also, people are much more likely to elect independents at a local level.

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[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 21 points 4 months ago (18 children)

I love how these conversations happen many times every session, but then campaign time comes and everyone calls me a Russian asset for reminding people of what the "Blue No Matter Who" mentality gets you.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (32 children)

The time to have that conversation is before and during the primaries. After that, it's not a worthwhile conversation.

The message isn't the issue, your timing is.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

This is the proper attitude for primaries, not general elections.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're either with the oligarchs or you're with the terrorists

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[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

We're not going to give Donald Trump what he wants, so we're going to pass this spending bill that gives him everything he wants! That'll how 'im!

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[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Here's the actual story, Schumer relented one day after GOP and DNC megadonors threaten to pull funding away from 10 Democrats.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

So the super rich really do control everyone and everything.

Who knew?

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[–] libra00@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

You have meek fuckers in leadership because that's who the corporate/wealthy donors want there. If you want to get rid of them you're going to have to get rid of the money and influence that put them there.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They backed down on govt funding? They backed down, didn't they?

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not they. So far it's only Schumer and Fetterman, and Fetterman was a lost cause anyway.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trump will destroy America and blame democrats if we don't fully back Trump destroying America, including removing congressional power to block the destruction of America while it is done.

On blame, easy path is push for clean CR that will keep government open, or reopen, when house votes on it when they feel like coming back to work. GOP will be blamed for the shutdown.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

DOGE is already tearing wiring out of the walls. Crazy to get weeks of "Half Department X has been fired and the budget has been slashed" articles only to hear Schumer take the blame in advance for further defunding.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

He’s not meek he’s corrupt

[–] pinheadednightmare@lemm.ee 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If you’re old enough to draw Social Security, you shouldn’t hold office. Period.

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[–] drhodl@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

It's long past time for Schumer and most of the timid OLD dems, to step aside. We've had enough of failing. We need to elect people that are capable of fighting back.

[–] Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The dnc is just controlled opposition. The Democratic Party is the only chance to push the country left but the establishment is working against it and these old fucking ghouls are the elite still and much closer to their Republican “counterparts” than they are to us.

[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 9 points 4 months ago

We have to vote the dinosaurs out of office, if we ever get to vote again.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Anyone else get the feeling he’s been compromised?

[–] rational_lib@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

He's very dependent on donations from the banking industry, it's all there on OpenSecrets. Both NY senators voted to end cloture because that's where wall street is. Gillibrand seems to be avoiding criticism for some reason but it's the same exact story for her. Wall street was already suffering from the Trump tariff decline and couldn't take any more from a shutdown.

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[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're not meek, they profit from the status quo.

These people have no business in governing modern day people, these dinosaurs need to be let go.

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[–] Xain52@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I called my senators in new mexico to vote no. And with senator lujan the clerk said he will be voting no. So hopefully more will follow.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If someone who has been in office doing their job for decades and still hasn't changed much .... why does anyone expect them to do anything different now?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 months ago

No one does. That's why they need to go.

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[–] sudo@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol Trump called Schumer a "Palestinian" (now a threat) and this fucker just rolls over.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 4 months ago

Schumer clearly never learned that appeasing Nazis is not the way to go! Or perhaps he's a nazi is disguise.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

At some point the people will have to use their check on power. The second Amendment.

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So like... what the fuck even happens in a government shutdown?
How does power shift when that happens?

[–] WHARRGARBL@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago (2 children)

That’s my question, too. How does a shutdown suddenly give the reavers more power to destroy? I mean, they’re already tanking everything.

Reading about the funding bill, it also seems to include dismantling of some checks and balances.
They're probably fucked either way, I just don't know enough to tell which is worse.
Seeing as both Bernie, AOC and federal workers' unions agree to vote no on that one, they're probably on to something.
Idk, I don't live in a failed state

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