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if Democrats ever win I fully exepct this:
"Now is a time of healing. To better unify our Great Nation™®© we are going to let Republicans fill every committee and pick every judge, we are even looking into how we might let them have the presidency. If we can't, do not worry, we will behave as if we were Republicans and will do as they wish."
I think Bernie's Fight the Oligarchy Tour is changing this, but more people needs to push this.
So is David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC. He’s a Gen-Z school shooting survivor who’s committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
Once Newsom is in CECOT he will have plenty of time to think about what he could have done.
Yea, the "democrats" will want to "reach across the table" and work with these fucking traitors. Why? Because most of them are likely in on it.
They take the same money from the same corporations. They don’t care if they win or lose an election.
Yep, that's what Obama did with the Bush people and the people that caused the GFC. And now all these people are back for round 2 with nothing learned (well, they learned there are no consequences no matter what they do).
Fucking hate how true this is.
There isn't going to be another government or another free election until the current regime is put to the sword.
If it isn't entirely obvious that's the next play, I agree.
That's literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.
Neoliberals don't change the system, they ARE the system. You're not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d'être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.
old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being "not-republican" candidates.
Nope.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Pubs don't give a shit
That first part is kinda what I'm saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they're supposed to represent want.
Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.
It's like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.
Well this is the bitch: you can't play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.
Don't play chess with pigeons
That's a false dichotomy.
You're assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today's circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.
I'm not advocating for Dems to do either. I'm advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it's necessary and justified.
Following rules for their own sake even when it's clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.
Start by sending a handful of Republican Senators and Congressfolk to El Salvador.
I think you mean ms13
They would need to grow spines first.
Democrats are centrist liberals. They are capitalists. They are cop-loving authoritarians. They will never fulfill your leftist liberatory desires. Stop deferring your political will to wishes they will never manifest. You have Stockholm Syndrome. Go do something yourself that matters to you in your own community.
Well said, I'm still going to post my opinions but there's really nothing you've said that I can refute.
I should probably add: I don't mean to be a dick. I say all this stuff because I care, I hate seeing comrades efforts and dreams and desires frustrated by this deadend political party year after year, election after election. I imagine if all the passion we drained into the DNC instead went into creative modes of organization and direct action in our own towns and cities?
Is this how liberals fantasize about revolutionary action while still staying as milk toast as possible?
Edit: I appreciate Lemmy for the simple fact that I can use "liberal" in any sub and not be considered a conservative by default when I'm criticizing that perspective.
Pandora’s box is opened, and once that happens, it’s almost impossible to close it. I’m going to be honest, the next election cycle, I’ll consider voting for the blue equivalent of Trump. Now that we know presidents can act like kings, it’s time progressives capitalized on that. Why not lock up rightwingers and hatemongers, slap tariffs on oil, and deport Zionists in order to fight Islamophobia?
Presidents can act like kings if they have the Legislative and Judicial branches in their pocket. No progressive ever will.
Presidential immunity gives a democratic incumbent the right to slap a republican senator daily
Sorry, I get the spirit of the meme and it’s nice to daydream but fuck no. I don’t trust the Democrats to do anything in the interest of the people.
It's not whether you trust one absolutely or not.
It's always, as ever, relative. You pick between the options for the best bad option or you abdicate your vote and then must suffer (potentially) the worst of both worlds.
What I mean is I don’t want the Democrats to go hog wild with the law the same way the Republicans are because they are also owned by the Capitalists. Since I don’t have another choice of course I’m very likely to Vote Blue No Matter Who™️ to my great displeasure, unless a more progressive party takes the lead by a landslide and actually has a good chance of winning
A Democrat would never do it. You'd need an actual Leftist. They'd be the only ones with enough spine to sacrifice their own political career and reputation to get it done.
Yeah, but a bj in the oval office? I mean, have you met Hilary???
They'd just have rolled it all back on Jan 21.
I mean, there was plenty of time between November and Jan 21 to rendition 3 justices, anyone in Congress tied to Russian money, the entire trump campaign and all of the Republican money middlemen that launder Russian money for political campaigns
You think the laws will be fair? Check out how they're going to give Trump a 3rd term but keep Obama ineligible.
You right, they would have said the president is a powerless figure head on Monday and on Tuesday they would have a coronation. Full military parade.
If we manage to have another presidential election, I will be behind any progressive or Democrat that promises to use the presidency in the exact way as Trump.
Forcing an rewritten version of the Constitution that eliminates flaws and loopholes, enacting term and age limits on all elected offices and the judiciary, deleting the electoral college, and so forth?
I am in.
The US needs a proportional voting system first and foremost
At this point the main priority for the democrats has to be reforming the American voting system.
First past the post needs to go away, permanently.
It is ridiculous to have situations where a state population votes 51% for one candidate and 49% for the other, while the state as a whole gets to throw out the 49% of the other candidate.
Once that happens, other parties will spring up and actually have a possible way to get elected.
It's rather optimistic assuming that Republicans would act like they gave a shit about rule of law if they were the ones who wrote them. Laws are just for everyone else, in their minds.
A. The Trump administration is breaking the law.
Yes, we know the rules are rigged. The system is dysfunctional. Breaking more things? Not gonna help! We have to get serious about creating something new. We need clear and fair rules.
