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[–] Geodad@lemm.ee 61 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Considering that water autoionizes, yes - it is both an acid and a base.

[–] Natanael 16 points 3 weeks ago

Inclusive or

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 32 points 3 weeks ago

"I'm whatever you aren't, you fucker" - water, to the substance you mixed with it.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 24 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Little bits of it oscillate between hydronium and hydroxide so a little of both but not enough to make a difference.

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's why the meme works. It's not because water autoionizes; it's because water is amphoteric, meaning it can act as either a Brønsted-Lowry acid or BL base depending on what what it's reacting with. Put water with ammonia, and water acts as an acid. Put water with acetic acid, and it acts as a base

Source: I teach college chemistry

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Water is so cool. I like how the hydrophobic effects drives protein folding

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I once brought up in a family dinner how incredible and strange water is, and how we don't really think about it.

It appears naturally in all three phases, expands when frozen, has a high surface tension, has a high specific heat, and can behave as a mild base or acid. Oh, and all the living stuff has water in it.

Nobody really understood what I meant except my sister.

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you know about ortho/para-H~2~O? It only gets weirder.

[–] TheOakTree@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

Neat, I will be saving this and reading it when I'm less busy... maybe I'll get back to you on it.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 4 points 3 weeks ago

If it makes you feel any better, I totally get it.

I’ve thought many times how different the universe would be (would complex life on earth even work the same way???) if frozen water became more dense and sank like most frozen substances.

[–] Una@europe.pub 15 points 3 weeks ago

Ah yes amphoteric compounds

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

H2O is neutral PH, and so answer is no. But then water tends to have a bunch of shit disolved in it. So answer is yes.

A self-contradicting proposition based on ambiguity of definition of water, of all things. This statement can be used to make HAL explode.

[–] MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

If you take into consideration the self-ionization of water, it's both, at the same time.

2 H~2~O -> H~3~O^+^ + ^-^OH

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

AFAIU, it doesn't change the PH neutrality.

I understand that they self combine/react again? But is that reaction still water?

[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Autoionization and the reverse reaction are constantly happening in water, and when the reaction is happening at the same rate forward and backward the system is said to be "at dynamic equilibrium" (aka, stuff is happening, but there's no net change)

In pure water, the equilibrium concentration of hydronium and hydroxide are equal, so it's said to be neutral. At room temperature, that equilibrium concentration is approximately 1*10^-7 moles per liter, which gives a pH of 7 (since pH is defined as the negative log _10 of hydronium concentration)

[–] Rob1992@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's not neutral, pure water is slightly acidic due to free hydrogen

[–] knacht1@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you mean dihydrogen monoxide?

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] NielsBohron@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Close, the standard IUPAC acid nomenclature would be "hydrohydroxic acid"

[–] mmddmm@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago

Pretty sure the OP meant hydrogen hydroxide.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What is the PH of the water? 🤔

[–] spicystraw@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] MTK@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh! So that's why hot water burns you!

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I know it's a joke and all, but it's not just the pH that makes something burn. A regular coke has a pH of around 2.5, for example.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh yeah? Then explain the sensation my sphincter feels upon butt-chugging three cans of coke, smart guy?

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I believe that's caused by the CO2, but I'd have to test to be sure, brb.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They still aren't back... Oh god, did you do 4 cans?! Everyone knows you can't do 4 cans!

[–] nyctre@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Now you tell me?!

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I don't know, I heard that coke can burn a hole in your septum

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 3 points 3 weeks ago

It is the final frontier for either, your meme could have been so much more interesting. SAD.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is this about the anomaly of water? I vaguely remember it from school

[–] Una@europe.pub 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No, this is about water being amphoteric compound meaning it behaves like a acid or base in different circumstances.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphoterism

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The water molecule is amphoteric in aqueous solution

A water molecule in aqueous solution. How can you tell it's being dissolved, or doing the dissolving?

[–] prex@aussie.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

In high school I was told that one in avagadros number of water molecules splits into ions.
Is that right? It seems like a very small amount.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

The dissociation constant of pure water at RT is 1x10^-14. This is many magnitudes more than just one per avogadros number. The "trick" is that any given molecule of water basically has that 1x10^-14 chance of being split or otherwise whole at any given time.

[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

You mean it lives on land and in the pond?