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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Nuclear winter fell way back in the pack, but it's catching up to Climate Change, AI, and biological weapons as humanity's self inflicted doom.

Damn, I was rooting for Skynet.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

I'd deploy skynet tomorrow if I could. At least there's a chance we win and there's few enough people afterwards. Plus it'd be some epic history. Way better than "so they were selfish dumb assholes and made their own planet uninhabitable?" If some other sentient race comes along.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

i mean, if we suffer a nuclear winter.... it would probably solve the AI problem... the (current) climate change problem, and, uh, a lot of the other problems as we no longer care about shit like having TP on the shelves or what color the new car is gonna be.

[–] HubertManne@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Sounds a lot like the cure for crying.

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I almost wish for a nuclear winter. On account of patrolling the Mojave so much...

[–] Rubanski@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Maybe a few sprinkles of Matrix?

[–] xNIBx@kbin.social 34 points 2 years ago (4 children)

And if Iran and Saudi Arabia get nukes, then Turkey will get nukes. And if Turkey gets nukes, then unless there is an EU army, Greece will want to get nukes.

[–] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Pretty sure there are NATO nukes sitting in Turkey already.... it's like the whole reason everyone pretends they aren't a circus run by a toddler pounding the table to print more money as economic policy.

Ukraine is the only country to every voluntarily disarm their nuclear arsenal. Now invaded by Russia. Turkey gets to wave their dicks around and make demands at the big boy table despite being a complete joke of a country. I honestly can't blame countries wanting to develope or obtain nuclear weapons anymore....

[–] Bondrewd@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Fun fact: South Africa didn't give up nukes based on some moral objection. They did it because the apartheid government was disbanding, and they didn't want people of melanin to have nukes. Racism for the win?

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Let's not forget Libya.

That. Was. A. Mistake.

[–] xNIBx@kbin.social 16 points 2 years ago

Pretty sure there are NATO nukes sitting in Turkey already

Those are US controlled nukes. And the US doesnt have the best relation with Turkey atm. They are there now, gone tomorrow. Turkey cant rely on american nukes. If other regional powers have nukes, they need to have nukes. And if Turkey has nukes, then Greece needs to have nukes for selfprotection.

Turkey gets to wave their dicks around and make demands at the big boy table despite being a complete joke of a country.

They have the 2nd biggest military in NATO, after the US, an immensely important geographical location and they are a regional power(along with Iran and Saudi Arabia).

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We will all go together when we go

[–] tsuica@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What a comforting thought that is to know.

EDIT: "Who's next" is more accurate though.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Until then, I'll be poisoning pigeons in the park

[–] collegefurtrader@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One nuke is useless if everyone knows you only have one

[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Not completely. Especially in the case of middle eastern countries, a capital strike would ensure the dissolution of the state.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Turkey doesn't need nukes because it's part of the strongest defensive alliance in the history of mankind. That's enough deterrent for anyone who isn't in that alliance.

[–] xNIBx@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

NATO's is not going to be part of Turkey's geopolitical schemes. Nukes are needed in order to be on an even footing with the other regional powers(which will also have nukes). Even if Saudi Arabia/Iran never intend to nuke Turkey, they will be at an advantage.

Hard power translates to soft power. And if your regional opponents have nukes and you dont have nukes, you will be at a significant soft power disadvantage.

Btw Turkey is building its first nuclear power plant, with help from Russia. Saudi Arabia also intends to build nuclear power plants soon. Thats the first step to creating a nuclear weapon.

[–] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 33 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The crown Prince of Saudi should get a nuke up his ass.

[–] alphacyberranger@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] foggianism@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 years ago

Male Butt Stuff.

[–] c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

He's too busy blowing cocaine up it to fit the nuke, meanwhile his people would be mutilated or killed for doing drugs or drinking alcohol which the entire royal family is also doing.

[–] itsdavetho@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

It's just assured destruction now Woooo

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Neither of those countries should have nukes. Crazy enough to use them. Of course, I also think no country should have nukes.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

There's always a bigger stick, right?

[–] Sear@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Neither of them should get one.

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Nukes are like icecream then.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Saudi Arabian Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman said on Wednesday that if Iran acquired a nuclear weapon, his country would seek to do the same.

“If they get one, we have to get one,” bin Salman said in an interview with Fox News’s Bret Baier, adding that it would be necessary “for security reasons, and for balancing power in the Middle East, but we don’t want to see that.”

The Crown Prince warned of the dangers of nuclear weapons and said, “We are concerned of any country getting a nuclear weapon,” when asked about Iran in particular.

He suggested trying to get nuclear weapons in general is a fruitless endeavor, since deploying them is equivalent to declaring war on the world.

On Tuesday, Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi said that the United States must “demonstrate in a verifiable fashion” that it intends to return to the 2015 nuclear deal, from which former President Trump withdrew in 2018.

The Biden administration was in talks with Iran to restart the agreement last year, but discussions fell through and the United States has not indicated an interest in reengaging in discussions.


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[–] toasty_mcboost@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

UN should have all the nukes and an addition to the charter that anyone who fucks around immediately gets one delivered on their head.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

Not even detonated. They just get strapped to a table and their skull slowly crushed by the body of the nuke.

[–] 1847953620@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm sure having a monopoly on world-ending power isn't something that could be abused

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

I agree that my solution has some potential problem, but world-ending isn't one of them. After all, if all the nukes are controlled by a single party, mutually assured destruction wouldn't apply.

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[–] Sylver@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Makes sense if you think about it. Most sensible countries ultimately want to return to the 2015 deals and progress from there.

[–] Jaeger86@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Is this crown prince bone saw?

[–] fruitleatherpostcard@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

The crown Prince of Saudi should get a nuke up his ass.

[–] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's hard to believe that 1950s Sci Fi is still fucking relevant to today's world. if y'all haven't ever, go watch The Day the Earth Stood Still (not the remake, the OG black and white from 1952. The remake deserves the George Lucas Holiday Special Treatment.) The movie is a cult classic and is still relevant to today's world as a criticism of nuclear weapons (if not nuclear energy,) and Mutually Assured Destruction.

[–] ours@lemmy.film 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And for some 70s sci-fi: Colossus: The Forbin Project.

Speculation on nukes and AI but not in the Skynet way.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Replying again…. Thanks for the movie tip. That was a spectacular one.

Note to self: when connecting super powerful thinking computer to nukes… make sure to include some kind of failsafe. A purely physical one that cannot be undone…

Vaguely reminds me of war games in some aspects.

[–] ours@lemmy.film 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Glad to hear you liked it. The movie went in a direction I didn't expect and was very, very interesting.

The movie "Eagle Eye" took a lot of plot points from this one.

Aaaand speaking of failsafe, not sci-fi but if you want some gripping military nuclear drama, Fail Safe (1964) is one of my favorites. It's not a horror movie in any traditional way but it sure terrified me more than any horror movie ever did (it actually gave me a nightmare).

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I will have to give that a watch! Edit: found it streamable at archive.org

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How about neither of you religo-fascists get one, and if you try, you get glassed?

[–] greavous@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

Why are American religo-fascists allowed so many? They only want 1 you big meanie! /s but only a little

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Pakistan to who got them and then proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot:

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 2 years ago

I don't think he understands how this works.

[–] BigDill99@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 years ago

Evil vs. Evil

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Where is Venom Snake when you need him?

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