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One of the best things I read was an 1889 essay by Andrew Carnegie called The Gospel of Wealth. It makes the case that the wealthy have a responsibility to return their resources to society, a radical idea at the time that laid the groundwork for philanthropy as we know it today.

In the essay’s most famous line, Carnegie argues that “the man who dies thus rich dies disgraced.” I have spent a lot of time thinking about that quote lately. People will say a lot of things about me when I die, but I am determined that "he died rich" will not be one of them.

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[–] ozoned@piefed.social 102 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And he'll still be a billionaire. And he got that money by suppressing the world with proprietary software. He's single handedly helped hold humanity back. I don't care the good he's done as it's built on the back of all the harm he's done.

[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Beat me to it. Anand Giridharadas has spoken on the general scam of billionaires white-washing their legacies like this... their philanthropy seldom approaches, much less exceeds, the harm they did in getting so rich in the first place.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

And somehow, even when proclaiming to give "Most" of their fortunes away, it ends up in a "Charity" or "Philanthropy" they control.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He was also a major opponent of the efforts during Covid to waive medical patents for producers in the global south to allow faster distribution of those vaccines.

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Shouldn't be much of a surprise. His family has always been eugenecists with a "benevolent" mask. Not knocking what his foundation has done against malaria, but I believe he's said some very direct things about wanting lower birthrates in the global south.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 1 week ago

It's not really about lowering birth rates directly it's about removing the perceived need for higher birth rates.

There are quite a lot of studies that show that even in countries where infant mortality is now manageable it still takes several generations before that trickles down to the population and they stop having 15 kids as standard. Also lack of sexual education doesn't help.

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can we please not help launder his reputation by proactively giving him credit for something he hasn’t done yet?

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

And he hasn't done shit to help the peasants of the country that made him filthy rich?

Not shitting on the African communities he's "helped," but he can afford to help a lot more.

Oh, and he shit on making the CVD-19 vaccine IP free.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People should just call his bluff and ask if he would support a big estate tax.

He literally has the financial resources to lobby congress to make it happen.

I honestly don’t understand why self made billionaires wouldn’t do that, it’s not like their kids are gonna be poor, they will still be rich, just not oligarchs level (which they probably would suck at anyway given how they don’t have proper experience).

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is a good comeback. Take that wealth and start lobbying to start fixing shit

He could start up a whole ass organization with departments to fight for education, health care, income equality, homelessness and more.

He could resolve homelessness single handedly by funding homes, but what we need is to fix the machine.

I seriously think we need to focus in fixing education and news/social media regulations to increase critical thinking in the masses and stop the suppression of "woke media"

They're making everyone dumber and brainwashing the masses. How we got our current leader.

Social media platforms are how many Americans get thier information and news. Purposefully spreading misinformation and suppressing non offensive political views should be a massive fine by the FCC.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Why would he do that? He's so rich, he can never go broke.

All his "Foundation" bullshit is PR, after he realized everyone hated him before Bush Jr. made all his troubles go away. I wonder how much that "Donation" was?

There is no such thing as a good billionaire.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's my point. A "good" billionaire would make moves not promises and donations.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I appreciate how civil most lemmings are. I've been wrong and admit fault. Or unclear and clarify.

We also have idiots on here though. I imagine that ratio may change as Lemmy gets more adoption.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regression towards the mean is inevitable. The best we can do is hope to model a good culture for future fediverse denizen (fedizens?)

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I'd prefer fedizen over lemming because I can't get the old lemmings out of my head.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Hell, he could buy the country like Musk did. He's just not as narcissistic as Musk, who made very dumb decisions that would have landed him in prison in a sane reality.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The fact that he collected billions (worth of cash and financial instruments) in the first place is the problem. He should have been charging consumers less, and paying his workers more. He never should have accumulated his obscene wealth to begin with.

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

And not being an evil bitch driving competition out of business with illegal practices.

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

How nice, live as the 0.0000001% that owns the world and make up most of the big evils in the world from the age of 34 to the age of 70 and then from 70 to 90 transition to the top 0.0001% and "not die rich"

A real sacrifice, what a philanthropist, brave.

I'm just here being a top 25% fully aware of my privilege for being born in a rich country and working in a well paying job, and I still donate more then him in terms of percentage of my net worth. (Bill gates donates about 0.8-1.6% of his net worth annually, I donate about 5-10% annually) and I truly believe that no one should be a billionaire.

[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Me, bottom 10%, making coffee for a paycheck and scavenging my new pair of pants from a dumpster: Yeah, man, you said it.

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Me, bottom 10%

bottom 10% of mankind are most likely starving and homeless, definitely not on lemmy

[–] Slaxis@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Assuming they meant in their country, and that their country is USA, bottom 10% as of 2023 was $15-18K. https://dqydj.com/2023-income-percentile-calculator/

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[–] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

Give it away to a charity you don't control now, or STFU about it already. We all know you're still trying to rehab your reputation.

[–] taulover@sopuli.xyz 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Donate to his own foundation which he controls

[–] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not the full picture: He plans to donate the majority of his wealth to his foundation, and then wind it down in 20 years. source

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[–] Dayroom7485@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I‘ve said it before and I‘ll say it again: Gates is not a saint, but there is clearly a difference between him and fucks like Thiel, Sacks or the Koch family who would never consider donating any of their money to research ways to eradicate Malaria or fund education programs for women.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's already been claiming he would for the last 15. It was too little to late back then. He either needs to get busy with it or shut up about it.

[–] lupusblackfur@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

At his current 69yrs age, he could get all the busy he wants for his remaining life and still fail to reach the 99% goal. 🙄 🤦‍♀️ 🤡

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Great; start by paying off all student loans.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He could do that. Easily.

But he won't.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

He's donating through his charity to avoid taxes. He will be known as a man that died rich. He has failed, he'll remembered for Microsoft and hanging with Jeffrey epstein to get a Nobel peace price.

Prove me wrong Billy boy.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 1 points 1 week ago

He's not trying to be seen as "not dying rich", that's the author's interpretation alone.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Carnegie was the smartest of the Robber Barons. He knew what would eventually happen if he didn't throw the peasants a bone.

He didn't want a date with Madame Guillotine. And some of the other Robber Barons realized his motive, and the dumber ones just saw it as a competition. Most of them followed his example.

Cuban is trying to use this strategy today with his "Discount Pharmaceutical" thing. It's not enough.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 12 points 1 week ago

Unless he actively works towards making billionaires contributing to society non voluntary he is still part of the problem. Billionaires shouldn't exist in the first place.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 11 points 1 week ago (7 children)

This means Bill Gates gets to dictate where society goes instead of society.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Oh, hey, we're up to the Enlightened Monarchs phase of the Enlightenment of the 18th century.

[–] dataprolet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago

He'll still be a billionaire with the 1 % remaining.

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

The irs accepts donations.

[–] EvergreenGuru@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

More lies at 11.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People will definitely say that about me when I die too. Thankfully the US healthcare system is pretty damn good at making sure the vast majority of us can say this when we die.

[–] Geetnerd@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I'll leave a 20 year old car, and 3 electric guitars to the needy.

Can I have a library named after me?

[–] dreikelvin@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

maybe he can buy my bandcamp albums 🥹

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

He learned his lesson in 95 when shipping wezzer with PCs

[–] JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'll believe it when it happens, until then all I hear are promises that could be broken.
Words alone are meaningless.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

This isn’t exactly news

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago

Way too late to matter you coward

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