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[–] andybytes@programming.dev 16 points 7 hours ago

Now this is a idea worth promoting.

[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

ICE "agents" wear jungle camo for urban operations. How are you dumber than the police? I don't have much hope that they can avoid manipulation. Which is what CEOs are very good at... Apparently.

[–] SunshineJogger@feddit.org 3 points 6 hours ago

Yes, we need to visualize the possible realities sometimes. It's healthy

[–] GooberEar@lemmy.wtf 37 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I really pissed off a bunch of my family when I was a kid with this general concept.

"Illegal Mexicans" are taking all the jobs was a common sentiment with some of my adult family members and their friends. Being young, precocious, and naive, I remember asking why they are mad at the people "taking" their jobs, but not the owners who were hiring illegal immigrants. It didn't go over very well.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 6 hours ago

It's such a silly idea, kids can see how stupid it is because they haven't been thoroughly indoctrinated yet I guess. When I was young hearing about immigrants taking jobs it just seemed logical that they wouldn't 'take' them if US citizens would work for the same pay as the migrant workers. The employers clearly enable this, why would anyone blame an immigrant? A ten year old can understand this.

[–] Decq@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The answer is simple. If you're exploiting people you're doing capitalism right. It's the American dream.

[–] SeriousMite@lemmy.world 96 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is the thing I’ve never understood. If we were truly concerned about undocumented workers taking jobs and resources, the logical solution would be to go after the companies employing them. But we’re not concerned with that. It’s always just a bad faith argument that boils down to plain old racism.

[–] zugzwang@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

That's why the rhetoric is shifting from "they're taking our jobs" to "they are all violent murders and rapists".

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago

It seems like a you've understood it just fine

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

They are, but not enough. Recently two companies, ACSI and Durable Inc, were fined for hiring illegals. ACSI was charged $2m and Durable 200k. Donnie needs to step it up and charge every company that uses exploited labor.

ACSI was charged $2m and Durable 200k.

Rounding errors for these companies. And most likely they were de facto fines for not donating enough to Republican candidates.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

fined for hiring illegals

Let's not talk like them please. It's dehumanizing.

[–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Two companies of tens or hundreds of thousands. And for those two, how much money did they make off the backs of illegal workers? I'm willing to bet significantly more than they were fined.

Edit: at least for Durable Inc, according to Ice, who is is probably going to want to appear tough rather than dow playing it, this is the second time they've been fined and their workforce is 92% illegal workers (roughly 53 legal workers, 604 not). If they're not bankrupted by having, 92% illegal workers, clearly its just a tax, not a punishment or attempt to stop them.

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

There are more companies that have been fined recently, I was just giving those two examples of it happening.

The thing is about the fines, they are low, but companies that depend on exploiting illegals can't survive without that cheap labor with their business model. So either they adjust and are good boys and girls, or they go bankrupt. I would rather have a business come into compliance at a higher price point, but going under is the market excising a tumor. So the fines being lower than lethal has a potential upside that creates jobs for citizens.

[–] Oyml77@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But that would include his own companies...

[–] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] UnderFreyja@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

He 100% did he tried to "purge" some in 2019 to avoid public scrutiny but it was widely reported that he did.

Haven't seen any recent reports on it but yeah, we can assume that if he can make sure the public doesn't know about it, he does still or will do it again, as soon as he can.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Make tea and have a seat, because this is a bit of a story.

After the era of J. Edgar Hoover, FBI engaged in a lot of internal soul-searching and wanted to actually live up to its name as an investigation department, rather than what it had been under Hoover, which was a paramilitary force in the service of the current administration, (see FBI's interest in far-left activists like Dr. King and Malcom X and the Black Panthers) it changed its focus in the 80s to organized crime and serial killers (though they were very few in number, and hot cases when at large) Reagan used the DEA for stings against political enemies, but political activists were able to act more openly as elections and campaign money was deregulated.

In 2001 the 9/11 attacks happened, rapidly followed by the PATRIOT Act which was passed, largely sight unseen, which put FBI under the Department of Homeland Security. Soon after that ICE was formed intended to be a paramilitary department that served the interests of the ~~new regime~~ current administration, and it's been that the whole time.

And this is how ICE appeared in New Zealand for the raid of the Kim Dotcom estate on < checks wikipedia > January 20, 2012 (the same day as the Wikipedia blackout in protest of the SOPA act, incidentally). Also there were representatives from the MPAA and RIAA since the arrest of Dotcom was argued to be based on media piracy infractions (that Dotcom was getting a slew of hip hop artists to ditch the labels and use the new MEGAupload music distro service had nothing to do with it we swear). These days, the raid was credited to the New Zealand police, but in the January and February reporting of the incident in 2012, it was US Immigrant and Customs Enforcement (on loan to big media). As Dotcom noted, they could have just arrested him in his workplace parking lot. His work routine was consistent. Someone wanted a show,

ICE appears in a number of other weird places, including busting a number of repair shops in Florida that were fixing Apple products without licensing to do so. This would forshadow the wave of right-to-repair legislation and litigation that is still moving through the states (with John Deere and Apple making strange bedfellows).

On their website ICE does customs work within the US while the CBP is supposed to operate along the US borders, but really ICE goes where it pleases, and arrests who they like, and it was this way right up to the George Floyd protests in 2020 when Trump used them as his private police force to interdict where the local departments were not doing (in Trump's opinion) a sufficient(ly brutal) job. And this is how the ICE office in Portland Oregon became a focal point where every dispersed crowd of demonstrators resulted in double the numbers the next day (and lines of moms and dads). That's how Abolish ICE became a rallying cry during the protests. I wonder why we stopped chanting.

So ICE was developed much the way the German SS was, as a paramilitary service loyal to Dear Leader rather than loyal to the office of the Chancellery / Presidency, because when you're a despot trying to put down democratic features, you need a force that's loyal to you and not the law.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

This should really be its own post. Great job.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

This is simple:

Politicians hating on illegals gets voters. For the owner class, it's about cheap, scared labor. Works out for both parties!

Until some dumbass starts actually deporting our slave labor, oh boy.

[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not the Onion: Kid Rock's Restaurant Closes to Avoid Trump's ICE Raids

Kid Rock and Steve Smith (the MAGA businessman running the restaurant chains in the article, not the son from American Dad!) still at large.

[–] klu9@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Re Kid Rock, suspect is not hatless. Repeat, not hatless.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

They are bringing criminal charges against a business in Texas for harboring undocumented workers. Of course, the owners are legal Mexican immigrants and it’s a small family business.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/texas-county-swung-trump-grapples-051827128.html

[–] Isa@feddit.org 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Well, they would have to round each other up as well, for doing the CEO's illegal dirty work, wouldn't they?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

conspiracy to commit fraud you mean? yeah. True.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I mean didn’t Oscar Schindler talk literal Nazis into letting him continue to use Jewsish workers during a time they were being forcibly exterminated? I mean I’m glad he did, but it does show in a remarkable way what CEOs are capable of.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh, pease. If CEOs were responsible for every little thing that happened in a large vcmpany, they'd be on millions- Oh, wait...

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

The last time that happened .... there had to be a global war that involved hundreds of countries and millions of dead

[–] Shootingstarrz17@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Only in my dreams...

[–] VAVHV@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Weird AI image. The signature at the bottom left and what appears to be a police car don't seem to make sense. But yeah, fuck those greedy CEOs.