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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

I love all the broken clock mfs in here. I’ll concede that everyone, including myself, thought he (and trump) were too old to be running because they’re both mentally declining in different ways.

We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.

That said, the big question would be whether or not it was known he had cancer and was getting treatment for it, the effects of treatment certainly would be hard on someone mentally, their mental capabilities, and physically. Hiding that shit and running him for office again would be fucked up.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Obviously being old and in mental decline is not something people have issues with. Look at your current president.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden. He had a shit debate and everyone suddenly acts like they knew something was wrong other than just getting old, being propped up on cold meds or whatever the official excuse was. Prostate cancer doesn’t cause these symptoms.

Sure, no one would have known about the prostate cancer, but plenty of people had been questioning Biden's mental fitness since 2020, and they were called ageist by pundits. Stewart himself was accused of aiding Trump for running a segment on Biden's strange mental gaffes just weeks before the debate. If people like Tapper had been doing their jobs instead of deferring to the administration, we would have had answers, not questions.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 hours ago

Yep, I strongly remember being called a useful idiot for wanting a better canidate than Biden after the horrid debate performance, with every time being deflected to "But did you see Trump?? Clearly Biden can stop him now!!"

If Jon fucking Stewart was called ageist and a Russian bot because he accurately saw that Biden was not doing too well, its no wonder people called other fellow humans that too. I'm not shocked Apollo is trying to lie by omission of "We didn’t know of any obvious major health issues with Biden" besides being in the most stressful job in America and being the oldest person in that poisition.

But instead Biden went on "full" steam ahead, only keeping to his one term promise when internal polling showing he'd lose to Trump by 400 EC votes.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Funny how nobody is calling Trump out on his mental fitness. Could you imagine the outrage if Biden had said and done half the shit Trump has. Such a double standard.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

First of all, there have been dozens of articles about Trump's mental fitness. Second, Biden's decline was sharper and more noticeable; that's why, even though they both sounded like rambling old men during the debate, Biden came off worse. Finally, Trump's mental fitness is usually people's third concern behind his authoritarianism and corruption. Anyway, now that we've addressed that, it would be great if you could give a shit that Democratic party insiders hid the President's cognitive decline from the country.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 hours ago

There's literal dozens of articles on this community about that. Nice whatboutism.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 16 points 8 hours ago

I mean, the whole point of “he is too old” Is because 80 it’s too old. It is wether or not anyone had secret knowledge of Biden’s decline. It was a correct assessment, and his debate was just validation of what was already known

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world -5 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

What the whole Biden situation boils down to is this: At no point in history has a Presidential candidate ever been replaced as late in the campaign as the 2024 campaign was by the time people started seriously calling for Biden to step aside (i.e. after the debate.) The only close equivalent was in 1968, when Lyndon B. Johnson declined to run much earlier in the campaign, and it still resulted in a victory for Richard Nixon. Still, when confronted with a choice between fascism and not-fascism, many people (including many of the people in this very thread) decided to devote all their effort to throwing stones at the not-fascism side.

When Biden did finally step aside, surprise surprise, it resulted in a victory for fascism. Congratulations.

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago

Biden had zero chance of winning even based on the more accurate polling that his campaign had. Polling, by the way, that he ignored for literally months that could have been spent shaping Kamala's campaign or running a primary. The polling showed over 400 electoral votes to Trump and Biden in his infinite stubbornness only subscribed to people that stroked his ego (Joe Scarborough) and refused to step down until leaders like Nancy Pelosi started threatening him.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Biden only dropped out because it was no longer feasible for him to win. He was perfectly willing to die in office knowing he was no longer fit for the job.

If he had made it clear he wouldn't run at least the year before, we could have likely avoided another Trump term.

[–] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

We've been living in unprecedented times for at least a decade now. It's no longer relevant.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 hours ago

Biden staying in the race would have been 400 EC votes to Trump, a bigger margin than Harris v Trump did.

And even if Biden won, he has stage 4 prostate cancer that has metastasized to his bones, it would be a miracle even with top treatment if he lives to see the end of Trump's current term.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 62 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

My wife said the same thing about the Bob Woodward books.

https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/The-Woodward-Trilogy/Bob-Woodward/9781982198916

Do the reporting FIRST, THEN do the book tour!

Roll back to Watergate, it was a news story FIRST, then a book.

Or the excellent reporting by David Cay Johnston - report that shit first THEN write the book.

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.ca/books/291700/perfectly-legal-by-david-cay-johnston/9781591840695

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I don't think the Washington Post of today would print an article with dirt on the president.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Oh, you know they would not, nor the LA Times, or the New York Times.

[–] JWBananas@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

Woodward's contemporary books are full of bombshell allegations that made absolutely zero tangible difference to anything at all. Yes, you get the never-before-heard juicy gossip; no, putting it in the papers didn't matter. We all witnessed the downstream effects live as they happened.

I have War right here. It's a great look into the minds and personalities and motivations of the figures discussed. But at this point it frankly feels like those scientific studies that empirically confirm things that "everyone already knows."

[–] KnitWit@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago

My thoughts exactly. Lost a ton of respect for him over that.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 52 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Jokes aside, Stewart acknowledged: “How fucking weird it is that the news is selling you a book about news they should have told you was news a year ago, for free.”

“I understand the excitement over an insidious Democratic cover-up about Joe Biden’s mental decline,” he added. “The thing is though, it was a terrible cover-up, because we all fucking knew.”

“There was no cover-up – poll after poll showed vast majorities of the public thought Biden was too old and too out of it to run again,” he continued. “Dean Phillips mounted an entire primary campaign because of it.”

“He along with most of the public knew it was a bad idea for Biden to run. We knew it,” Stewart concluded. “And that’s what’s so hilarious about politicians. The cover-up doesn’t work when everyone knows you’re lying.”

Literally the only reason some people think Biden was a good president, is he's sandwiched between trump.

So much shit that Biden did would have been completely unacceptable pre-2016.

Like Stewart said, it wasn't even a good coverup. Everyone could tell Biden was cooked, the admin and party just refused to admit reality exactly like trump is now.

They pulled a weekends at Bernie's and when called out their only defense was obvious lies.

[–] LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 2 points 3 hours ago

Yep it's indefensible. Utterly inexcusable and I can't fathom how anyone thought it would work

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

This also happened to some extent with Reagan. While it wouldn't be another 5 years after his presidency when he was officially diagnosed with Alzheimers, it was speculated there were issues during his presidency.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 36 points 22 hours ago

As usual Jon Stewart is mad about the right thing.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Remember when we called out Biden's health and were called useful idiots, and it was a big lie pushed for by the media?

And now they're selling a book based in that reality. I guess when you notice things for free that's propaganda, but when you can sell it that's factual media.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Solidarity. They shall never be allowed to forget and the should never be allowed to live down the material damage they did to this community, and that effectively, they were the useful idiots who handed the office of president to Trump, by insisting on strategies and tactics that were doomed to fail.

[–] gradual@lemmings.world 5 points 9 hours ago

Neo-liberals need to be pushed to the fringes of society.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 10 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

centrists still have zero understanding about this.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago

I think they have a kind of understanding.

The understand that they are wrong, and that the consequence of their wrongness is Trumpism. However, they also understand that if they were to acknowledge that they are wrong, they would lose power.

For people like this, its more about maintaining individual power, than it is opposing fascism. Its the same for the apologists.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 19 hours ago

They understand it completely, they just want to gaslit people into thinking its sane to support people who are actively hurting the ideas they swear to uphold.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 21 hours ago

Even now we're being downvoted by the people who are still in denial of Biden's self admitted health and failures.