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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 35 points 57 minutes ago

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a brilliant catch-22 situation.

[–] KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz 3 points 17 minutes ago

actually proud of Scotland for once, not the government but the people

[–] wolfrasin@lemm.ee 85 points 2 hours ago

Legendary behavior. Bigots can choke on it

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 minute ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

In America most men are overweight or obese and have pendulous lumps on their chests with nipples attached. Personally I don't love seeing them, but when the weather is right, they are all over the goddamn place. It's absolutely ludicrous that women can't do the same. If there were any logical rule it would be don't show your chesticles unless you are a woman who uses them for feeding a child OR everybody gets to have their tits out regardless of any gender types. Pick one and go with it, but the current laws are base AF.

[–] LadyButterfly@lazysoci.al 18 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Love the message, but the blurb isn't correct. Police couldn't not arrest them because it would define them as a woman, outraging public decency and similar laws don't require specific genders.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 8 points 24 minutes ago

I had a look further into this, because I wanted to better understand what factors might cause an act to be considered indecent exposure (or outraging public decency). This led me to some guidance on naturism and other non-sexual nudity, from the crown prosecution service.^1 It appears that having an "intention to cause alarm or distress" may be relevant for protests like this — arguably the entire point of the protest is to use the shock value of the nudity as a protest.

That being said, I think it's a bold move and possibly an effective protest. Even if public indecency laws are gender neutral, it would still be a strong message if any of these women got arrested for this — the reason why these women are capable of causing alarm or distress by going topless is because these are "female presenting nipples" (to use a heavily-memed phrase from the Tumblr porn ban era)


[–] grue@lemmy.world 26 points 2 hours ago

Hmm...

spoiler


Pretty sure it's just a bug in the federation of images between blahaj.zone and lemmy.world, but it was a funny coincidence.

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[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 211 points 5 hours ago (8 children)

SOMETIMES A CHECKMATE IS JUST SO FUCKING POETIC.

Butters: weiners out!

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[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 79 points 4 hours ago (7 children)

Tits censored, guess they are women then. Fuck the transphobes

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Unfortunately, in these cases, people make the mistake of thinking the law works like computer code. In reality, it doesn't.

People have this idea that law is just like computer code. You make one single definition and then build laws, like a mathematical edifice, around that definition. They think that if the law uses one definition in one place, it must use that definition in all places. They think the law works like a computer program or a physics equation. Change the constant and changes cascade through.

The law however is not a computer code. It is not a physics equation. The law has not, does not, and will likely never use consistent definitions throughout all contexts. Laws can be written with the same term defined multiple ways in different contexts. A tomato can be a vegetable in some legal contexts and a fruit in others. Someone can be legally male in some contexts but legally female in others.

Traditionally how this works with trans folks is, "your legal sex will be defined as whatever hurts you the most in the moment." Does a trans woman want to use a women's restroom? She will be defined as legally male and thrown out. Does she show her breasts in public as protest? Her chest will be considered legally female breasts. She will then be arrested and thrown in a male prison.

The law is not internally consistent. Don't make the mistake of thinking it is. Usually individual laws have their own definitions written into them. These definitions define what terms mean for the sake of applying that and only that law. And the definitions used can differ between different laws.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago (2 children)

People have this idea that law is just like computer code. You make one single definition and then build laws, like a mathematical edifice, around that definition.

That's pretty much the fucking definition of a law.

Law is a set of rules that are created and are enforceable by social or governmental institutions to regulate behavior, with its precise definition a matter of longstanding debate. It has been variously described as a science and as the art of justice.

-- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law (look it up elsewhere and the definition is almost word for word the same)

They think that if the law uses one definition in one place, it must use that definition in all places. They think the law works like a computer program or a physics equation. Change the constant and changes cascade through.

Laws are rules that are worded specifically to match criteria to ensure that the spirit of the law can be maintained and served to protect the public. the interpretation of a law can change once a precedent can be set, but that law is still the rule until it's been amended.

you're being disingenuous and ambiguous in your understanding of law or you're just playing the fool to serve your point.

either way you look like an ass and are too arrogant to be using that much confidence in your conviction.

your are the definition of "confidently incorrect".

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 3 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

You wrote a whole lot while saying very little.

You're completely missing the point. You can have two laws:

  1. Defines that for the purposes of import tariffs, a tomato is a fruit.

  2. Defines that for the purposes of school lunch funding, a tomato is a vegetable.

Both of these laws can be passed, exist, be upheld and enforced at the same time. People would get confused and say, "but...but...a tomato is a tomato, it can't be both a fruit and a vegetable depending on context! That's not fair!"

Well, I'm sorry, but the law is not required to be internally consistent. No where in the US constitution or the UK's equivalent will you find language that says that all laws must use consistent definitions in all contexts.

I get it, this truth of the law offends people. People with STEM backgrounds are often particularly incensed by it, as it goes so against their way of understanding the world, scientific and mathematical axioms and such. But the law is not a computer code. The law is not a physics equation. It has all sorts of internal contradictions. Definitions are often highly contextual.

Also, quit being such a jackass. You don't need to start throwing around insults just because you disagree with a post.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 minutes ago

This is basically why a handful of "STEM" people want smart contracts to take over the legal system.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

You could not have missed the point harder if you replied to another post.

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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 101 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (9 children)

Another example of the Scots fighting for freedom .... they've been doing it successfully for thousands of years and they're still doing it!

I will never in my life ever understand the fight against gay, lesbian, bi, queer, LGBTQ+

They are a fraction of the population yet the majority causes them immeasurable harm simply because they exist. The louder they persecute, the more prominent LGBTQ+ movement becomes .... it's contradictory. If conservatives had just left them alone, there would almost be no issue about any of this at all.

There are far more important debates and fights to be had in our society .... namely the fight to preserve the survivability of our species in the coming centuries ... yet here we are fighting about who gets to show or not show their tits!!!!

[–] shads@lemy.lol 8 points 1 hour ago

When gay marriage was being debated here in Australia my sister (who is gay) was super upset the whole time. She talked about how much the fight affected her and wished that people who were against would just understand.

I told her I was a complete supporter of gay marriage for a whole bunch of reasons including:

  • human decency
  • equality
  • people who don't like gay marriage can just... Not get married to another person of the same gender.
  • people should just mind their own fucking business

However I did also point out that a lot of the loudest voices against gay marriage literally did not give a flying fuck about the issue, it was a convenient wedge and distraction for them, the people who need a group to vilify for political reasons would have to find another target for persecution as soon as they lost this particular convenient red rag to a bull.

Today in Australia, I believe, the usual suspects who use fear and hatred as the bedrock of their politics have been able to tap into a deeper vein of ignorance to make Trans people that target.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 48 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (4 children)

Conservatives need a demographic to hate. This one is perfect because they will never be Conservatives, and most hardcore Conservatives can't stand to see homosexual PDA.

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