Personally I hate pathfinder 2, still, if they managed a clean implementation, extremely impressive work.
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Why do you hate PF2e? And how does that compare to D&D?
No smoke, I'm just curious as I personally like it more than 4e or 5e but recognize its got some funk on it.
Mostly found it very unfun, I recognize that the math behind it works really well, but playing it always sort of gave the impression of most stuff just not doing all that much. The expected result from what I could tell is that you always sort of scrape by, enemies will usually succeed in their saves etc. From what I understand this seems to be a reaction to the arms race PF1 adventure paths were. I just found that ultimately these things just made the game feel unfun. I am certainly not 5e’s biggest fan, but I would rather have that (or the jank of a Shadowrun 5), than the constant feeling of ineffectiveness PF 2 gave me. This got marginally better when I swapped from Witch to Kineticist, but still ultimately didn’t fix my dissatisfaction.
I'll admit I've never played one of their published campaigns, but a lot of this sounds GM-dependent. I tend to naturally run things a bit on the easier side, to where it feels like unless I'm going out of my way to provide a really serious threat, it's always felt pretty much the same difficulty as my D&D games. I can't relate to the idea that players just "scrape by" at all.
I wanted to move away from D&D anyway because I didn't like the direction they were going (removing lore, breaking promises about supporting multiple play styles, etc.) and then the OGL debacle happened, as well as WotC's other corporate bs. But I came to love Pathfinder for its 3 action economy and 4 degrees of success systems, which just feel so satisfying to me compared to the lacklustre D&D systems.
That’s dope
This feels like it'd fit a NotTheHardDrive community.
What's that?
The Onion is a parody news site. Hard Drive is like The Onion, but nerdier. There is a comm called !nottheonion@lemmy.world for real news headlines that sound like they could be from The Onion.
NotTheHardDrive is not a real thing, but if it was, this'd fit perfectly.
Oh this is something I will have to try, the combat was the weakest part of BG3.
This might actually get me to play through the game. I found the combat mechanics so tedious that I never got out of the first act.
Huh, I never felt it was weak, but I still haven't finished the first act.
What frustrated me with the combat was just how easy it was to make a small misplay early on in a combat that doomed you to lose, but it would still take like a fucking hour for you to actually lose (or for it to become obvious that you would).
DnD works great for table top, but it is a poor system for a video game. If you play solo, then the first act is quite enjoyable. I haven't played past that alone, I have only finished the game with friends. And my god is it boring by the end, you wait for your turn, make 1 action, enemy makes a saving throw, now you gotta wait 20 minutes for your next turn. So basically the same as your frustration, just amplified.
All the fun and interesting spells require spell slots (or have use limits) which means you have to long rest after every fight in order to use them really, but then you lose buffs you might have and your friends might not be ready to rest. It's so limiting. The fights just become slogs rather than something to look forward to.
DOS2s combat was way more engaging and fun, you could use any spell without worrying about not being able to in the next fight, you had way more fun spells and combos, you could do multiple things per turn, it was so much better for a video game. I wish they never took on DnD and BG3 instead was a great follow-up to DOS2. We will see what they do next I guess. Hopefully they fix the fucking camera at the least.
What’s DOS2 stand for?
Divinity original sin 2. It was Larian's previous game before BG3. Very worth playing, one of my favorites. A lot of the systems in BG3 were directly imported over from DOS.
Sounds promising! I’ll check it out. Thanks for the response / explanation :)