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Assume these joined St. Petersburg:

Murmansk Oblast Republic of Karelia Leningrad Oblast Pskov Oblast Novgorod Oblast

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[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am from SPb, ant it would be cool.

  1. North-west is a self-sustained region: machinery, ageiculture, large port, a 5-mil city you name it. We could live separately and be fine
  2. Russia is called a federation, but in the reality, power of regions were largely taking away. So it is about sending taxes to Moscow and getting shit in return.
  3. People are more "European", before war a large part of more active/younger people were shopping/taking vacations in Finland, going to Estonia, or travel further through those countries. Same with Finns buying stuff in Russia or partying in SPb.
    With all the general closeness, I absolutely can see Saint-Petersburg and the region being a separate country with close ties (no-visa, EU member?) with Nordic and Baltic countries.
    But I guess it's not happening, and by writing the things above I became a terrorist, "promoting rebellion and dissolution of the Russian state"
[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I'll admit that I am not super into internal Russian politics, but is there a reason for these areas to want to leave Russia?

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Being a part of Russia should be reason enough /s

Memes aside, I would be more interested in the potential of central and eastern regions leaving Russia - the parts that were historically populated by various indigenous peoples before being forcibly included into the Russian empire.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Siberia - easily. "the guys over the mountains" coule live by themselves and get more use of their asian ties, in contrary to working for Moscow.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

In reality though, they'd be run over immediately by China which I'm sure isn't going to be in their best interest

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, that's a risk, I'm just saying the eastern part of Russia is not exactly winning by being under Moscow. They have a major part of Russian's heavy industry, oil, ores, lumber, and several million cities packed with universities, so they have an initial set of everything to "live independently". But whoever is nearby will always look at those resources - material or human.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's certainly parts of Russia that have separatist sentiments. Can't say I'm aware of any overwhelming separatist sentiment in that region though.

[–] toofpic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Right after the "Crimea referendum", some guys in Saint-Petersburg tried to start a referendum for the independence of the North-West, and got majorly fucked for treason. Guess the "democracy" wasn't a democracy enough

[–] tauren@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

Not a single one.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)
Region Population
Murmansk Oblast 667,744
Republic of Karelia 533,121
Leningrad Oblast 2,000,997
Pskov Oblast 599,084
Novgorod Oblast 583,387
Saint Petersburg 5,601,911
Total 9,986,244

Russia has a population of 146,028,325, of which this would be 6.8%. These are tremendously-disproportionate numbers; the 10 million here would be about a quarter Ukraine's prewar population. My expectation---without trying to do a deeper analysis looking at what military hardware might wind up in the hands of the seceding oblasts---is that absent other changes in Russia, or political unwillingness to fight against seceding oblasts, or outside direct involvement, there would be a civil war and the resources of the other 93% would most-likely defeat them and re-extend control over them.

That might have a risk of nuclear civil war, depending upon how the military acts and what control of the arsenal looks like. The prospect of nuclear war amongst ex-member states of the Soviet Union was a principal concern of the US about the time that the Soviet Union broke up.

EDIT: Updated numbers to reflect the fact that Saint Petersburg isn't part of Leningrad Oblast.

[–] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

that feel when leningrad doesnt even want to be st petersburg anymore