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[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 152 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (21 children)

Ken Hotate!

They killed Ken Hotate .... the fuck is going on with the US

This is so freaking sad ... I'm Indigenous in Canada and I loved seeing his character in Parks and Recreation.

I just browsed through this Facebook page and just this past February he proudly announced and showed pictures of marrying his gay partner.

Jonathan Joss was Two Spirited and he was just starting to project that in public ... it's so sad because now it makes me wonder what role all that identity played in his killing.

Fuck America ... you can be so beautiful and great while being so terrible and ugly at the same time.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 57 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I used to provide rural healthcare to the tribal nations here in Oklahoma. I was always blown away to hear just how many of my patients had lost loved ones to violence, and how many of the murders went unsolved.

I had a patient whose son was a tribal advocate who was protesting a case in Colorado and went missing. Their other son went up to get the police to do their jobs and ended up being murdered, both cases unsolved.

The endemic violence towards the native people of America has not stopped and has continued since before the founding of this country.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I also would be 100% unsurprised if the police were the murderers.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 7 points 3 weeks ago

That's what the parents suspected as well.

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Years ago, it was the same here in Canada. 30/40 years ago it was all just listed as 'drunk indian was killed' and the excuse was often just a brawl, accident, unfortunate event caused by alcohol abuse. These days it's not so prevalent or obvious .... fewer people being killed ... but more being beaten, abused or taken advantage of. Hotels/Motels in northern towns often have 'Indian sections' in them where native people are booked to keep them relegated and controlled, even if you are a clean cut Native person with a family and children.

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 44 points 3 weeks ago

It was 100% a hate crime and played every role, context: https://bsky.app/profile/willharrisinva.bsky.social/post/3lqnh5lqoz223

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)
[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago

Fuck .... this makes me laugh and cry at the same time ... I really, really, really wish they had done more with his character or even built an entire series with him. So much lost talent it's frustrating.

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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 3 weeks ago

Hotate was one of my favorite characters. I loved his relationship with Leslee.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 10 points 3 weeks ago

you can be so beautiful and great while being so terrible and ugly at the same time.

I find this applies to humanity in general as well.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

I am so sad. I love Ken even more than Rachel Ray, and I’m white!

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 weeks ago

Wtf, I saw the thumbnail and thought "that guy looks just like Ken Hotate", and here is your comment right there.

Damn that's a blow, lost a real character in the world...

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[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 93 points 3 weeks ago

He voiced John Redcorn for those who don't want to click through to TMZ:

Joss was the voice of John Redcorn in "King of the Hill." He also landed a big part in "Parks and Recreation" as Chief Ken Hotate. And he had small roles in TV shows such as "Tulsa King," "Ray Donovan," and films like "True Grit" and "The Magnificent Seven."

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 90 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)
[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 49 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Holy fucking shit this context should be on every news outlet

[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah I just went looking for other reactions on Bluesky as this was shocking and really bothersome, but that was without the context. With it, it’s 10x worse.

I shouldn’t have had to dig replies deep into a different article to find this, shows what an insane chilling effect this current political climate has. This was 100% a hate crime and a targeted harassment campaign, and it’s not even mentioned.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well that's absolutely horrible.

Arson, killing and displaying dogs, then murder all because you're afraid of gay people.

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[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'm American and I will never go to Texas.

[–] OmegaMouse@pawb.social 10 points 3 weeks ago

Fucking hell. And some people say 'we don't need pride any more'. We need it now more than ever

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[–] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Murdered. He was murdered by someone committing a hate crime. Get it right.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. On the first day of pride. It is rather telling that the articles I’ve seen all left out the homophobic slurs right before the murder.

[–] habitualcynic@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They’re either owned or cowards. Pathetic either way.

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[–] dumbass@leminal.space 11 points 3 weeks ago

Murdered by a homophobic piece of absolute scum of the earth shit.

I hope they throw the book at him, but I know how America is right now, he will probably be working in the government by next week.

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[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago

Damn! Fucking America with every lunatic having access to guns.

RIP Jonathan Joss

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 45 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Joss told KSAT he had issues with electricity after the home was vandalized. He had been staying in a hotel to keep warm.


“Mistakes happen, man. And it’s my fault for, I guess, leaving something on,” Joss said. “Or if somebody came in and did something, who knows?”


House vandalized, then burned down, then shot dead... feels like a pattern of someone desperate to get him off the property. ~~No way this is coincidence.~~

Edit- I shouldn't have stated last line without evidence, of course it's possible this is an isolated series of most unfortunate events.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Im not saying it's not something more sinister, but this can 100% be a coincidence.

Home is vandalized and copper is stolen, leading to electrical problems. He comes home, either leaves the propane stove on by accident, leaves the gas tank on by accident, leaves a bad circuit on by accident, someone comes in and does something, or just random coincidence that that's when an electrical fire starts.

Flash forward 6 months and he's probably still crushingly low, gets into an argument with his neighbour that gets hotter than it would've if he was feeling better and he's in dumb fuck America so everyone has a point and click murder tool in their waist band and gets killed rather than punched.

We don't even know if they were the same houses.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

You're right, incorrect of me to say it "can't be coincidence", but still quite an odd, near direct, escalating string of events imo. I had assumed it was the same property because both articles mention a "south side San Antonio home"

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I mean, if it was a sinister plot, the neighbour getting into an argument and shooting him on his front lawn in broad daylight would be a rather inept conclusion.

It may be that there were tensions because the neighbour blamed him for burning the house next to his down or something. Misery tends to beget misery in numerous ways, it's often not nefarious.

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[–] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

Holy fuck. I'm glad his husband was able to escape.. You know, I'm staunchly anti-death penalty but I'm prepared to put my principles aside for this one. Hang this asshole at high noon.

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

JFC. Damnit. Fuck Texas.

Edit: Jonathan's widower has provided a statement. He was murdered for being gay. Fuck. Texas.

[–] Yeller_king@reddthat.com 30 points 3 weeks ago

My buds and I met him at a local comic con. He told us he'd meet us out back and hang with us if we bought him a beer. So, we went and got beers and met up with him. Got selfies with him and a video of us all doing the "yep" thing with our beers. Super fun guy.

[–] CobblerScholar@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

As if I needed another reason to never set foot in Texas, fuck man

[–] shaquilleoatmeal@lemm.ee 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This happened kind of close to where my partner and I live. The general sentiment from a lot of people in the area has been getting worse and worse. I know some folks have always felt that way, but it’s so brazen now. We’re always scared when we have to leave the house. There’s been violence.

King of the Hill is one of our favorite shows, it’s all hitting us pretty hard. Both that someone we admired the work of was killed in such a horrible way, and that it happened so close to home.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Fuck owning guns and fuck owning guns for personal protection.

Handguns are the dumbest fucking thing in the world for society to allow. Lets make killing someone as easy as pressing a button at a distance! That's gotta a be a good necessary thing for anyone to do on a whim.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

At a time when our government is increasingly fascist and it's clear they want to eliminate classes of people, I'm thinking the wrong people have been buying the guns.

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[–] helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I 100% agree we need way more restrictions when it comes to firearms, but it is absolutely necessary for people to have a firearm for their own protection. I personally know activists, especially LGBT rights activists, who's life depended on that side holster of theirs and are still here to this day because of it.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

People over estimate how cool and collected they are.

The other day some asshole was letting his dog shit on the sidewalk and not picking it up. I saw. He saw me see. We made eye contact. He called me a coward and walked away.

In that moment I was emotionally ready to murder him. Just put his smug ass on the ground with his dog shit. Luckily, I don't carry a gun so I just yelled at him. But if I had a gun on me? No way the scene would have gone better.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

Yep, this is a sad shame, but if he returns in this reboot season all of his lines have likely been recorded already.

[–] St0ner@lemmy.wtf 11 points 3 weeks ago

RIP John Redcorn

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Another article for those having issues with the TMZ site:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/jonathan-joss-fatally-shot-1.7550346

I was looking at the Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Joss

On January 23, 2025, Joss lost his San Antonio home, as well as three dogs (with a fourth missing) when his house caught fire.[8][9] Joss says he was using a propane heater and had left the house. “Mistakes happen, man. And it’s my fault for, I guess, leaving something on,” Joss said. “Or if somebody came in and did something, who knows?” [8] He attended the 2025 ATX TV Festival in Austin, Texas with other King of the Hill cast members on May 29, 2025.[7] However, he says he was not invited to the panel, and an attendee on the social media site Reddit says that Joss interrupted the King of the Hill panel, bringing up his house burning down which he felt was intentionally burned down because of his homosexuality.

On June 1, 2025, Joss was approached by a neighbor who allegedly yelled homophobic slurs at Joss before shooting and killing him. The suspect was arrested shortly afterward.[7][10][11][12] The two neighbors have been subject to a longstanding feud going back years with police being called multiple times.[13] His death occurred just hours after he uploaded an Instagram video of himself walking around Austin and noting how he already recorded lines for 4 King of the Hill episodes.

Kern de Gonzales stated on Instagram afterwards that various people in the area had for years verbally assaulted them with homophobic slurs and threats to burn down their home.[14] Kern de Gonzales went on to say that the house had burned down after years of threats from their neighbors, threats to which the police had not responded, even after the threats had been reported by Gonzales and Joss.[11] On Joss' Facebook page, Kern de Gonzales described the attack as a homophobic hate crime.

San Antonio Police Department released a statement saying "Our investigation has found no evidence whatsoever to indicate that the Mr. Joss's murder was related to his sexual orientation."

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[–] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Sometimes I wonder if the so called the 'arc of the moral universe' could turn out like Fukuyama's concept of The End of History. Maybe we are the barbarian back water planet.

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