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[–] bieren@lemmy.zip 3 points 9 hours ago

I am fairly certain there is already a third party. Maybe even a 4th or 5th. Americans are just too stupid to realize it and vote for them. It’s engrained in the American way, there can only be 2 teams and mine is better than yours no matter what. It’s why the system is beyond broke.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left

lol. Bye!

Buh bye.

Buh bye now.

[–] coriza@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Is it a common saying the way you did the "Buh bye, Buh bye now" or you also watch Tara Mooknee content?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 8 points 19 hours ago

Sorta silly. The democrats are a bit more conservative than 70's republicans and part of the group is to get away from too left democrats???

[–] MeaanBeaan@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

I've been kinda wanting the progressives to split off from dems for a while now but honestly the shitty dems splitting off from progressives is probably better. Let the people that actually want to do right by their constituents keep the democratic party. All those "center left" people can go create their bullshit third party and fuck off. You won't hear me complain.

[–] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh good, another neolib party to compete with the neolib party and the fascist party

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 12 points 1 day ago

🤣🤣🤣

If the Democratic neocons are ready to come out of their closets we should be happy for them living their truth.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal.

🤣🤣🤣

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

This could be great for progressives. A lot of voters don't pay attention during primaries and only vote for Democrats because they're ostensibly left-wing. I can't see someone like Elissa Slotkin having any viability when she's not camping on the de facto progressive space.

[–] Urban_Hermit@mstdn.social 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

@Redditsux if a third party was anything other than a manipulative plot, it would start in the states, gain traction for its stances and success in delivering, and spread to other states.

Any national, top down attempt to form a third party is either psyops or a fool's power grab.

[–] Barbramon1@mas.to 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

@Urban_Hermit @Redditsux Yes! Successful 3rd parties must work from the ground up, not from the top down every four years. It's hard work at the local and state level.

[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Any assertion about how a "successful" third party works is by nature purely speculative.

[–] Barbramon1@mas.to 0 points 17 hours ago

@bitjunkie This is a forum where we share deas and speculate about a lot of things. If you're not willing or able to add anything of substance to the discussion, you can always scroll on by.
Ciao. 🌞

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t that only be true if the third party was running a brand new slate of candidates? If the Republicans and Democrats are in secret talks to form a third party, it’s likely that a whole bunch of incumbents plan to break off from their parties to join the third party. They don’t need to win an election to do that, they could do it right now.

Of course their old parties would try to defeat them in the next election, but if these incumbents have been getting elected for many years then they’d still be hard to unseat even in a different party. Especially so if these members’ electorates are already disgruntled with the existing parties.

[–] Barbramon1@mas.to 2 points 1 day ago

@chonglibloodsport There is no indication that current republican and Democratic politicians are working to form a new party. It would certainly be leaked if it were happening.
Musk is shooting off his mouth about forming a third party. Based on his track record, very few, if any, Democrats would join him. He would split the republican party if he tried. It's probably an empty threat, but I hope he does it and fails spectacularly

[–] devolution@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Coming to you now from Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago

Just heads in jars.

[–] xyzzy@lemmy.today 32 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They should rebrand to be clearer:

Progressive Party Regressive Party Status Quo Party

Better yet...

Forward Reverse Neutral

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago

The only party worth talking about is the Guillotine Party.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the problem was mostly that the two parties so far were "full throttle" and "no throttle", and half of these guys are upset that someone found the brakes, while the other half would like to continue on mostly full throttle without overheating the engine because they want long-lasting fascism instead of breaking down on the side of the highway to hell.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

So a right wing ruse to further fragment the opposition? Yeah, I figured

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

These people need to get behind electoral reforms then. There’s no reason another party is going to do better than the existing third parties. There’s a reason there has never in American history been more than two viable parties at once. The duopoly is fully enforced by our electoral system.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Majority of politicians profit from the system so it will not change. Untill american stop with the lesser of two evil BS

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lesser evil voting is fully rational in the system we have. You don’t have to like it. You can fight to change it. But that’s just a fact.

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 2 points 21 hours ago

The two party system allow both parties to kerp ruinning the country forever . They make them don't feel the pressure to change anything and listen to people because they know rhey will back to them after 1 or 2 other elections

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In other words a spoiler party.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

It’s not a spoiler when the neolibs do it. Progressives are the ones who have to vote blue no matter who.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If it's the party of not taking bribes to go against the interests of their constituents, awesome. If it's anything else, get F'd. Get money out of politics, we are sick of you buying our votes and lying through your teeth all the way to the bank.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Nah, it seems like it's the party of taking all the bribes. Their problem with current politics is that voters are actually expecting Democrats to do something other than taking bribes while the Republicans are afraid that all the bribes they are taking will be meaningless if Trump becomes God-King.

Actually, this might not even be a bad thing, the corrupt leaving the Dem party on their own would actually free that platform to actually do something for once.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 3 points 1 day ago

Some people on the left: We gotta vote for neolibs or the world will literally end!!!

Neolibs the second they don't get their way:

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm down for anything that breaks up the duopoly

[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This won't do it. The plurality system (often called "first past the post") inherently and inevitably leads to 2 parties. Whenever a third is introduced successfully, it quickly eliminates one of the previous parties.

Breaking up the supply duopoly requires a change in voting method, such as Ranked Choice or Approval methods. Those allow a third party without acting as a spoiler.

[–] OneSpectra@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

There is a proportional ranked choice voting system called STV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Dumbass title that doesn't relate what the content is actually about.

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

"Disgruntled Republicans sick of being bullied by Donald Trump and Democrat centrists imperiled by the Left are secretly having conversations about forming a third party in American politics, The Swamp can exclusively reveal."

Literally the first paragraph. The entire article is literally only talking about what the title says. Did you even read it? It's relatively short.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

This is how we know it's all a farce, they don't want a natural independant party like Bernie Sanders or AOC

[–] Hylactor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Honestly even two parties would be an improvement over what we currently have.