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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Palestine Action are heroes. We should be singing songs about them, not prosecuting them.

Remember, legality and morality are only vaguely related. Beyond the natural crimes of murder, rape, etc. laws are just politics by another name. And the wealthy and powerful write laws to advance their own corrupt interests. Many moral obligations are criminalized, and many things that if there is a Hell will surely get you sent there are perfectly legal.

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It's a shame they weren't destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed. That is the simple absolute moral truth. If the law says otherwise, then the law is wrong. Anyone violating it still needs to keep the consequences in mind. But outside observers should not be afraid to speak truth to power. What Palestine Action did was not wrong; it was an act of heroism. The UK should be electing these people to parliament, not prosecuting them. Want courageous leaders who will actually stand up to powerful interests and do the right thing, even when it's hard? Well it seems you just found that exact rare kind of person right here.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza is simply the morally right thing to do, regardless of the law. It's no different than a Jewish resistance fighter in the 1940s setting fire to a cattle train about to go collect prisoners for transport to Dachau. Sometimes destruction of government property is the only morally correct choice available to people.

And we shouldn't be afraid to say this. People in the UK should be contacting their politicians demanding a full pardon for these heroes.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Those planes deserved to be vandalized. Hell, they deserved to be set on fire. It’s a shame they weren’t destroyed completely. If those planes are being used to carry out a genocide, then they should be destroyed.

The planes were totally unrelated to what's going on in Gaza.

Destroying planes that are bound to assist in bombing in Gaza

What's the indication these planes would do that? Israel doesn't even need British tanker planes to fly the tiny distance to Gaza.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 103 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Always have been a police state, anti terrorism laws are ALWAYS used to silence 'dissident' voices

From 5 July 2025, it is an offence under the UK's Terrorism Act 2000 to be a member of Palestine Action,[7] fundraise for it,[8][9] wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership,[10] or if someone invites support or even "expresses an opinion or belief supportive of" Palestine Action "reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support" it.[11] These offences carry a maximum penalty of up to 14 years in prison for membership or inviting support, and up to 6 months in prison or a fine for displaying supporting items.[7][10][11][9]

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

wear or display items arousing reasonable suspicion of membership

Bro, they're making it illegal to wear a fucking keffiyeh. What a shitty fucking law.

People in the UK should protest en masse so that this damn police state can't arrest everyone.

[–] inlandempire@jlai.lu 3 points 2 days ago

Head garments regulations are a recurring debate in France as well, what a coincidence it's always about Muslim clothes and not Babushka's scarfs

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 38 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Is Palestine Action a specific movement/group or is palestine Action literally just supporting Palestine? Asking from a non UK perspective.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 50 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

It's a specific group that recently broke into an RAF base and started mucking about with the aircraft, hence why the government aren't their biggest fans.

Shortly after they did this they were designated as a terrorist group by the home office which is why public support is an offence.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 33 points 3 days ago (18 children)

Their latest action was against the planes, but they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank. They have already forced the closure of two weapons factories and forced Barclays to divest. It is most likely this sustained campaign that is the real reason for the terrorist designation, though the action at Brize Norton was probably the straw that broke the camel’s back.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

they have actually been extraordinarily successful at damaging the economic machine behind the genocide through targeted and sustained sabotage campaigns against Elbit Systems weapons manufacturer and their supporters, like Barclays Bank

Can you recommend some reading on this?

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I learned about this through an interview with a PA member on Rev Left Radio: https://revolutionaryleftradio.libsyn.com/palestine-action-direct-action-against-the-death-machine

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What does it mean to be a member? I’m still getting email updates and stuff and I’ll go to protests they organise.

I support Palestine action and I think this proscription is crazy.

[–] MrPoletki@feddit.uk 5 points 3 days ago

Fuck that law. Isn't that the law Putin used against Navalgny?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 48 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Palestine action? Never heard of them. We support Action for Palestinian.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The People's Front of Judea?

No, The Judean People's Front.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago

The movie references the splintering of the PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine).

  • 1967 Palestinian Popular Struggle Front (PPSF)
  • 1968 Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine – General Command (PFLP-GC)
  • 1969 Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)
  • 1972 Popular Revolutionary Front for the Liberation of Palestine
[–] ewo@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)
  • The people's front of Palestine AKA the Palestinians people's front AKA... The name changes will cease when the facists stop being facist
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[–] mkhopper@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago
[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Let's hope the UK citizens prove less cowardly than the US ones.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 95 points 4 days ago (4 children)

You have a lot of trust in people who voted to isolate themselves from their biggest allies and trading partners just a couple years ago.

[–] match@pawb.social 22 points 3 days ago

took me a minute before i realized the US only did that months ago instead of years

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[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

X to doubt. The UK threw out due process a long time ago, wave the ‘terrorism’ tag and egregiously Orwellian policies become law:

  • Legalized warrantless arrest and imprisonment of suspects without trial or warrant for 28 days
  • Permits freezing of a suspects assets without trial
  • Allows unlimited imprisonment of foreigners suspected of terrorism without trial
  • Military police permitted to operate on UK soil openly, even for non terrorism reasons
  • TPIM orders without trial that permits electronic tagging, travel bans, limited house arrest, curfews and constant monitoring.

And all that’s before we even talk about the recent Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Act nonsense.

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[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

Fuck you, government. I do not respect your existence, and day by day, am losing respect for the laws you demand we follow. Fuck your rules.

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

As American, I’m always so glad to see our cousins across the water follow our inane footsteps. Cheers Brits!

Cross Atlantic solidarity against fascism 🤝

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[–] Genius@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 days ago

Only antisemites think genocide is bad. /s

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Even on the middle east eye YouTube I'm seeing so many appeals to authority and "it's illegal, simple as. Full stop. Not for debate".

Not sure if brigading or what but it really worries me how people think.

It's not like they're stupid, it's like it's uncomfortable for them to think.

[–] henfredemars 30 points 4 days ago (18 children)

US does police state better.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

US is Judge Dredd.

UK is 1984.

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[–] clockworkrat@slrpnk.net 26 points 4 days ago

Does it different. In the US the violence is more up front. Here it's done through mechanisms of the state.

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[–] HakFoo@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even if they were trying to use this sort of rule with wholesome intentions, I'm not sure how targeting groups by name instead of deed makes sense. It's like doing a healthy diet by giving up Coca-Cola by name even though Pepsi and RC have the same nutritional profile and availability. Enjoy the Whack-a-mole game!

Taken to its logical conclusion, someone should start a pro-Palestinian squad and call it the Reform Party.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 11 points 3 days ago (25 children)

The group in question broke onto an airbase and put a couple of RAF planes out of action. They crossed a red line for the government.

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[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 17 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Some Aussie comedian on KGB News has just said that the disabled should be shot or starved into work …but a few people holding signs is the problem. How baffling.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

We're they being serious? If so, please do share their name.

Also, do you mean 2GB?

Whole different line up on KGB radio I'd imagine haha

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[–] Cypher@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

The Brits need to make like the French and lop heads off until they have something resembling a functional democracy.

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