If you guys think we're getting a truth and reconciliation hearing after this administration, then you have too much faith in the dead institutions which led to Trump's election. The United States is over, after this. 100 years from now it will be obvious in hindsight
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If you guys think we're getting a truth and reconciliation hearing after this administration, then you have too much faith in the dead institutions which led to Trump's election. The United States is over, after this. 100 years from now it will be obvious in hindsight
Oh, it's never going back the way it was.
This is clearly fascism, those are clearly concentration camps, and that's the Gestapo running around.
You don't just walk that back.
I mean, Germany is doing alright these days from what I understand.
Define "alright". Fascism is on the rise here, too.
Because in exchange for ruining Europe they were given massive investments from the US. But now that the boom is over the Nazis are back to being trendy. Germans are the most shameless people I've seen when it comes to racism, it's quite astonishing
If you want to go down the path of defeatism without putting up a fight, then yeah. Go fulfil your prophecy.
Spades are broken. Die is cast. Etc.
This country might limp along for a few decades. But the USA as we knew it is dead. Do you really think Chump is the only fascist with aspirations that big? Do you think the Heritage Foundation goes away when the One Big Beautiful Obituary finally drops? Do you think they won't try again? Do you think MAGA won't enthusiastically leap at the next swaggering fascist?
Our institutions are not built to withstand such direct assault. The intentional dismantling we've been seeing. The regulatory, legislative, legal, and economic capture that has occurred. If it isn't a strongman it'll be some businessman who isn't a failure. One with big Corp backing.
The sheer momentum of the dollar and power of US financialization will keep things going. The branding will remain. But little if anything will stop our continuing decline. Saying nothing of the damage done internationally. Geopolitically. The US can never be trusted on anything ever again longer than a 4 year timetable because at any time we could elect another used car salesman or failed gameshow host who wants to be a dictator.
I'm sorry, who's saying the US will go back to what it once was? If you want to lay down and die, go right ahead, but do it on your own time.
I'm tired. I would prefer immediate collapse to slow decline. It is going down. Sooner or later. Damage done. Which is not something I lament in itself. This is an evil country that has done incalculable harm to the world. The passing of the US wont be mourned by anyone who's opinion is worthy of respect.
What I don't understand is why you have to try to drag everyone else down with you, and that makes you sound like you're already "mourning the country". Like I said, if you're tired, you go ahead and lie down on your own, please.
I am just as powerless to stop any of this as you are. You go be poppy and exuberant for the both of us. Good luck to you.
Yeah, we're relatively powerless individually, but not collectively, and you seem keen on preventing that from happening at all. There are judges overturning decisions, we got apps tracking ICE, there are mass protests happening outside, we got people helping others survive. There is a large push back, and we need more of it, not less. It's mind-boggling that your immediate stance is why bother doing anything at all, and you seem to be pulling all the stops to justify it. If you won't help, at least stop being a negative Nancy for those who will. We're all doing our part, even if you're not.
lol putting up a fight? who is doing that? Muricans jumped from "too lazy to vote via mail" to "we need to get guns" to "when somebdy fixes this..." as if they think that would happen in their lifetime
Did you know that Republicans took it upon themselves to curb mail-in voting to prepare for the election and made it as hard as possible to do so in some states? And that many ballots were discarded for the most ridiculous reasons? And that there was a record turnout at the latest election, but for some reason, electronic ballots were discarded?
You can call people lazy all you want but that doesn't reflect reality.
and you are all bravely sitting down... good job
Are we? That's news to me. I get out to vote and protest every chance I get. But I don't see a shortage of people like you who want everyone to do just that.
I want you to stand up, go on a general strike, paralize your country until fascism stops... as it is, we are all suffering because of you
Nothing would make me happy than to be proven wrong.
ps: complaining online and marching on Sundays is sitting down and taking it
Sure, bud. And what do you suggest people do, then?What's your big plan for the American people? Lay down and die? Lose hope and let the fascists steamroll over them? How is that any better? I'm not hearing anything but negativity from you.
And what do you suggest people do
dude I just laid it out for you:
go on a general strike, paralize your country until fascism stops...
and about this
I'm not hearing anything but negativity from you.
grow up bud, I'm not here to gheer you up. Youeas a collective really fucked up, now it's time to nut/ovary up and fix it
And you're suggesting that because that has worked before? For a population that's largely living paycheck to paycheck? The thing about fascism creeping in is that you still need to go to work every day and do your little tasks so you can survive.
I've looked at several sites and they all focus on one thing: building a coalition. You only get that by demonstrating it openly and getting people on your side. Because despite what you believe, the protests aren't all for the fascists, but for the other people who haven't gotten on board yet. And you need a catalyst, with defiance and force. You do things, not stand around and wait for it to be over.
grow up bud, I'm not here to gheer you up.
Oh no, you're actively "gheering" people down and what's my whole beef with these damn comments.
Personally I can't picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
Personally I can't picture an ICE agent that is anticipating a regime change within their lifetime, but I could be wrong.
There is a very specific reason that ICE agents and other collaborators strive to hide their identities.
They would not feel the need to do so if they believed, deep down where it counts, that they were on the right side of history, and that the regime will last indefinitely.
I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions
Every single person who fears anti fascism deserves death. Full stop. President, House, Senate, ICE, janitor. No exceptions.
I don’t think they’re that introspective. Pretty sure they all think “this is so anteefuh can’t find out who I am and kidnap muh kids”. Action hero delusions
Most will be too stupid, and will be the ones using I Was Just Following Orders as their defense.
Neither did the S.S.
A paralel that I'm sure they both openly embrace, and which is also completely lost on them.
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When will the regime fall? Can we please just skip to the end now!
It won't be falling via a peaceful transfer of power. Voters made sure of that. However it happens, it will be violent.
Shenanigans. This is fear mongering and will just lead to people not bothering to vote.
murican excessive self centeredness already took care of that
And god forbid we try and learn from that and do better, amirite?
oh I'm all for hopes and dreams here but I'm not really holding my breath waiting
I hear ya. But that's why I'm going to keep whining. That's a step above hope and dream.
You know I've had this feeling for a long time. But I really have it now.
Look at everything going on, everything he's doing. If AOC (arbitrary example, but he'll call any Democrat a "radical marxist" through the entire campaign no matter who it is) is elected in 2028, will he and his handlers go "well, at least it will take them a long time to unfuck things?" No, there's no way that happens.
Maybe we'll get an honest election and maybe we'll learn the results of it. I don't think he leaves in Jan 2029 without a fight no matter who wins, unless it's Vance, and maybe not even then.
And to be clear, there's no way the Dems will run AOC or anyone like her. We'll probably get someone even further right than Kamala or Biden since it seems to be Republican votes they actually want now.
I only have hope for 2028 actually resulting in Trump no longer being president if the cheeseburgers take him before then, or the 2026 midterms are not only a blue wave, but also entirely above board and free of shenanigans.
And to be clear, there’s no way the Dems will run AOC or anyone like her. We’ll probably get someone even further right than Kamala or Biden since it seems to be Republican votes they actually want now.
FYI, the progressives won the last DNC election. The old guard no longer calls the shots, which is why they are getting more & more desperate to try to appear that they are still calling the shots.
I've heard this.
We’re getting my family ready to leave if the ‘26 elections aren’t fair and a blue wave. If my fellow morons haven’t figured it out by next year there’s not going to me anything left to fight with besides our quite fragile lives.
Unless we win the lottery or my long lost cousin from somewhereelseistan calls to let me know they've got a spot for us, we're sheltering in place unfortunately.
The reality is there will be no blue wave in the mid terms. Image and think on that and how fucked we might be...
The regime won't just fall. It'll need people to make it fall, and I haven't seen enough people stepping up to make that happen. Americans are still too passive, thinking that waving signs around one day a few weeks ago will overthrow a fascist. It's a start, but nowhere near the end.
I honestly fear the US will be a fascist dictatorship for the rest of my life and beyond. North Korea has been a fascist dictatorship all my life
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Or for a promotion right now if they find out any of their peers have any family of hired help that are immigrants. Why wait?
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Don't blow their cover
Don't blow their cover
It's a tough call.
If enough paranoia can be generated within ICE, the more resources they'll need to divert to internal investigations, and the less effective they'll be while still having power.
Makes sense
He just said dont blow their cover.....
I don’t see the good in C.Y.A. When doing the damage right now… after all the horrors they get to snitch to try to dodge accountability, how expected of them.
some ice agents are better criminals than others.
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