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[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 89 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wow, he ignored the flaws? I’m so glad for this new report, the plethora of previous reports didn’t already tell us that at all!

[–] Mirodir@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 2 months ago

Even funnier: This news article is so well written/edited, that the headline doesn't even state that he ignored the flaws; It clearly states that he ignored the sub itself. Truly the pinnacle of journalism.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

I’m stunned by this news. Who woulda thought?

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Watch the Netflix doc on this. It's quite the watch and the writing was on the wall for years!

Carbon Fiber just wasn't cutting it, but he just kept going and going. He could hear the strands of the fiber breaking and just didn't care. What kind of psychopath ignore that? Crazy shit.

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 53 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A narcissistic one, with money, and no real understanding of the equipment. They are much more common than you would think in the c suite.

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Sadly I’ve seen this up close. Not only do CEO’s, not know, they don’t want to know. They really want the story that says, we are making money, and here’s how.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

This is literally why the AI industry even continues to exist despite not living up to expectations. The CEOs just want to replace humans with AI so badly they're willing to ignore the reality on the ground of it being half-assed.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Makes sense really from a profit standpoint. Replace humans that need sleep. Healthcare and wages with one time costs.

Too bad its not all fun and games when you put AI in charge of critical systems.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

In this particular case, the CEO was made aware of the issue. I read another article some time back where someone else who worked there reported the issues to him and was ignored. This guy knew, he just... I don't know, thought nothing bad could ever happen to him? He was practically an underwater Icarus.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Carbon Fiber just wasn’t cutting it

Yup. Guy came up in aerospace, and while carbon fiber air frames have to deal with all sorts of freaky, weird stresses, simple compression is not one of them. The difference between sea level and basically outer space is exactly one atmosphere. The difference between sea level and the Titanic is… well… somewhat more.

[–] Odo@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"How many atmospheres can the ship withstand?"

"Well, it's a spaceship so I'd say anywhere between zero and one."

[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 5 points 2 months ago

That joke gets me every time.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Saving you a click- it's 400 atmospheres.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I just heard a video of a test and you could hear the delamination. I really don't get how everyone single person involved didn't be like "yo homie, wtf‽" with every single bang! These people are supposed to be experts on this field. I have a maybe possible community college passing level of material engineering, and even I was like "what is wrong with everyone????"

[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He just wanted a hug?

He wanted to go out with a bang?

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

He certainly made a splash, but he just couldn't handle the pressure.

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 55 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What a heartwarming tale of billionaire hubris.

I have a dream one day this is something all billionaires will have the chance to experience!

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[–] MisterOwl@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Can't say for sure the documentary is 100% accurate, but if it's to be believed, many smart people tried to tell this guy his stupid sub was unsafe many times, but he consistently ignored all of them, because arrogance and vanity.

oh no anyway.jpg

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My wife is obsessed with this event and 2nd hand I've heard most of the facts on this. There were red flags everywhere. You didn't have to be a sub expert to know that was a ticking time bomb, but unfortunately the crucial data that could've saved those lives was continually buried. There's actually a lot of similarity between the Oceangate scandal and Theranos.

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't Theronos more of a cut and dry scam?

Oceangate wasn't a really scam, more like the CEO thought his shit didn't smell and got himself killed over this.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Without knowing what was in the mind of Elizabeth Holmes (Theranos) it really did seem like the "fake it till you make it" mantra went on way too long. I mostly say the two cases are similar because many smart people within those companies knew things were wrong and tried to speak up but the execs continually shut down any negative talk with zero acknowledgement of the issues.

[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 4 points 2 months ago

"Fake it till you make it" is how most scams start. Most people aren't looking to actually run a ponzi scheme, they just quickly get in iver their head. She knew her product didn't work and continued to market it anyway. Thats a scam.

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[–] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Thats still a scam. A scam is not in the eye of the shithead doing it, its based on unjust enrichment that deprives the victims of the value promised and whatever value they handed over in exchange

Just because he hoisted himself on his own petard doesnt mean he didnt intend to market this doomed product to other end users who would have suffered the same fate had it made it that far in commercialization

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

He fired anyone that told him it was unsafe and surrounded himself by yes men/women. This was bound to happen.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 40 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If only other CEOs would put their own lives at stake when ignoring basic safety to save money.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Yes. But this CEO had to drag other people along because he couldn’t afford it without other peoples money.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but government disaster reports are supposed to be slow. It's every i dotted, every t crossed, and the providence of every screw investigated. Oftentimes the root cause is what everyone knew already, but the report is meant to leave no doubt and to label every step of failure so that people can recognize and resolve intermediate level causes and understand the immediate causes.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Nooo stop being reasonable I'm trying to be smug 😔

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I remember reading a past article about how the CEO was repeatedly informed about critical issues with this sub, but he didn't seem to care. At least he was among those who died. If he hadn't been aboard this sub, would he have changed his tune? All I know about this guy is that he was a scumbag CEO who ignored vital safety issues, so I'm going to guess "hell no."

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[–] atticus88th@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sucks that he took others lives but it should be required that every CEO be out front on the products or services they sell.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Especially when they sell self-driving cars that crash and spaceships that explode. At least Stockton Rush's hubris took care of the problem for him.

[–] northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let's stop tip toeing around the correct term....

Criminal negligence

  1. (1) Every one is criminally negligent who
(a) in doing anything, or
(b) in omitting to do anything that it is his duty to do, shows wanton or reckless disregard for the lives or safety of other persons. 
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[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I made a deep sea sub out of lumber from Home Depot. Almost done carving the rudder.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

It'll probably work better than his, lol

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We knew that like 10 minutes after it was missing.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In November they’re gonna release another report and next time they’ll come to the conclusion that negligence caused the tragedy

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

And in January a YouTuber will make a video telling the whole story of how they used an video game controller to steer it and how the billionaires son didn't wanna go and how the billionaire was negligent and people quit over safety concerns.

BREAKING: They were visiting the Titanic.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 5 points 2 months ago

Of course but it was still "speculation", proper investigations and incident reports are necessities.

[–] Lexam@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

This is the type of enshitification we need more of.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The arrogance of having always succeeded in the past.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The arrogance of getting lucky in life and thinking it's because of your own brilliance.

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[–] DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

He probably didn't use enough AI in the design process.

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 months ago

Oh look, more distractions from convicted rapist and guaranteed pedophile Donald Trump.

[–] jouhija@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

At least he took out a couple other multimillionaires with him. Good riddance

[–] prof 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

And a well respected historian and just a kid.

Certainly not good riddance.

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