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2020 was rigged -- for Trump. That's why Trump was so convinced that he should have won.
There were enough protections in place to keep him from winning.
And despite Democrats controlling the executive branch there were allowed to not only get away with trying to steal the election but to gain access to the inner workings of all the voting machines and software, sent death threats to all voting officials in swing states without fucking consequence, literally a handful of prosecutions despite hundreds over the legal line as detailed by Reuters investigations, like what the fuck good does it do getting a democrat in there? A lot of people stuck their necks out to protect democracy and we're left as the military would say with their ass hanging in the breeze.
Under Fire by Republicans and not protected by democrats.
I don't mean to come off as a conservative cunt, but what evidence is there that 2024 was rigged?
As an outside observer all I saw was sexism and racism handing the election to trump, or I guess democrats being so high on their own supply that they thought the right time to run a PoC woman as candidate was at a 70 year high of fascism
Idk about the elections, but as a Ukrainian I've seen the stark difference in about a half a year since he bought twitter.
He manually switched off visibility for NAFO. Like as if they became shadowbanned, invisible to the "for you" feed.
He made it so big Ukrainian accounts are mostly visible to Ukrainians only. This was enough not to make them leave the platform but silenced their voices to the outside world.
It's quite obvious we were just the testing grounds, USA elections were the real deal.
That's happening everywhere, including here on Lemmy. Your instance controls what's seen on the all page, so the larger instances control what the larger audiences see.
Allowing voting machines to connect to Starlink and that largely happening in the rural areas of swing states, coupled with the snarky “we have a plan” comments and jokes, should raise more concern that it has thus far.
Beaides stolen ballot boxes and firebombed ones, some data scientists suggested the way the data came in numbers/volume by region or some anomolies, suggested tampering of some kind. Since democrats didn't raise a stink, I guess it no longer matters
Well, you have the basics like voter suppression in just about every way (e.g., gerrymandering, shutting down polling places, not enough voting machines, laws against helping people waiting in lines, preventing ex-cons from voting, etc.), actively intimidating voters at the polls, active misinformation (e.g., automated messages telling people the wrong dates for the election), etc.
Now, we know about one attempt to mess with the voting that was caught. They're looking to overturn those peoples' convictions.
I'm sure there is more that I'm leaving out. Now, that may not be what you were talking about, but that's rigged in my opinion. Also, the electoral college, the voting system (NPV or RCV would be better).
Gerrymandering doesn't effect the presidential election (except for maybe suppressing turnout of people who may feel like they don't matter). I've seen far too many people who think it does.
Sure. That's fair. It does impact the primary and everything else on the presidential election ticket, though, which are still very important to the situation we're in now. Congress is allowing everything Trump wants, basically, which could have been prevented if not for gerrymandering (for long periods of time).
Yeah it was lots of little things not just one thing.
Lots of things that they spent 4 years thinking up to do, and also how to keep hold.
Okay this is what I've gleened from a site posted often about it (something about free elections? Or has election in the url)I am not sure where I sit but given Trump's history, his many statements while campaigning it's not hard to believe there wasn't cheating but if it's this who knows.
There a number of voting areas that apparently had anomalies that haven't been seen to that level (ouch just read that as Trump but this line is apparently from people who look into this stuff) in previous elections. I forget the exact details but it's a link posted often online. Something to do with people voting for Trump but Democrats down ticket or just voting for Trump and leaving the less blank (forget exactly). These were only noticed on in person voting whereas the statistics of the mail in votes did not match this pattern. The other part being that it was one sided, there was no similar notice on Harris's votes. If I recall this pattern was similar for mail in between the two but not for in person voting. Also something called the Russian Tail in voting, after so many votes a certain amount went to Trump similar to Putin's votes. Again I haven't looked into this but that is some of what was noticed beyond the direct lawsuits as well.
As far as I know even if he cheated it doesn't matter at this point cause he was certified anyways. And if people aren't pissed off about what the US has become to change anything I don't think it makes a difference if Trump just came out and admitted it. I'd be curious just to know but I'm also still curious what happened to my motorbike toy from when I was 8 so it's not an exclusive list.
We should just eliminate ballot boxes and handle everything with paper ballots. Mail them in, drop them off, or fill it out at the ballot box.
Trumpers filed 70 some lawsuits. I guess that alone means Trump actually won in 2020.
It was all the little incidents of his supporters burning ballot boxes, voting in the name's of others for Trump, and threatening people at booths. This happened all across the nation. One specific example I can think of is a man in Arizona burned a mail in ballot box in the middle of a dense city that leaned blue. Institutions dont have to take action for elections to be rigged, elections can be rigged through inaction and suggestion just the same.
None that's been presented in front of a judge yet as far as I could tell. Until it is don't take it seriously. Same as last time.
2020 was mostly definitely rigged, thats why trump kept saying it was rigged. he shut up real quick when he won the 24 eleciton. and dems are afraid to call it rigged themselves.
As per usual, all the Republicans have to do is accuse the Democrats of it first. Biden even refused to see the law enforced against the Republicans after they tried to end the Republic in all but name and fix elections, including a culmination where he tried to take Congress hostage and personally go down to the Capitol and force those lawmakers to sign away the Republic under an angry mob and his secret service detail.
And then paint that refusal to defend the Republic which is the reason for being of our leaders, as some Noble Act.
Allowing the captured justice department to remain so and fail in their statutory duties. These fucking Democrats are so fucking worthless the party needs all new staffing, from the top spots on down to the lowest spots in the party, they need to raze and burn the whole thing and build up with people that do not suck.
No air support on anything related to the former administration, all because the Republicans projected their own qualities onto Joe biden. How did we, the people that want reform and refuse to be ass fucked by the rich without our consent, turn into the party of weakness? I want to change that.
This strategy works for them every goddamn time. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing/about to do, muddy the waters, maybe even redefine a few words in the process...
Then when they do the thing, and their opponents try to point it out, nobody even believes it's true.
A presidential candidate who never won a primary; who was the VP of an unpopular president (and did not distance herself from him); who supported and refused to denounce an unpopular, genocidal war...
Yeah, you're right. There's no way she could've lost. It must've been rigged!
At least she didn't want to build a resort in her name on the land that the genocided people previously occupied. But that's ignored, right?
AFAIK, Trump never said anything about that during his campaign. It's irrelevant, anyway, because Democrats didn't switch to Trump. They just didn't vote.
Exactly! When asked what she would've done differently vs Biden, she said "nothing." That doesn't really motivate people to get out and vote for her.
Do yourself a favor and don’t click through.
X is worse than YouTube comments were a decade ago. Just a total cesspool.
Surprised more nominees don't come out swinging. "The election of 2020 had sever irregularities consistent with the high rate of mail in voting and we all know Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster so what won't these people do to undermine democracy? Follow the clues! WWG1WGA!!"
Biden was certified as what? The winner
Being certified as the winner is not the same as being the winner. There's nothing contradictory about both claiming Biden was certified and claiming Biden was falsely certified - so this isn't like the "state's right to what?" thing, finishing the sentence for them doesn't change the statement.
It doesn't need to be a contradiction to be obvious weasel words they're using to literally avoid saying a few very specific words: "Biden won" or "Trump lost"
That's a pretty nuanced take. I don't think Trump can appreciate that level of nuance and would be outraged anyway.