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I don't mean only the US but in much of the world: in many European countries the populist far right is unseating Christian-Democratic parties (conservative parties), like in Hungary, Slovakia or Czechia. In others like Germany or France the far right is at the gates of power, in the UK, Reform UK is running high in the polls. In Turkey autocratic Erdogan is copying the Putin playbook to systematically dismantle the social-democratic opposition. In Japan, a neo Thatcherite that doesn't hide she honors Japanese war criminals is about to become the new PM.

Something common I see in all these parties is strong disaffection with the current state of their countries and a longing to an idealized past they promise to bring back, to make countries great again...

Except that societies have changed beyond recognition in the last 40 years, emerging China, India, Mexico and a myriad of south east Asian countries can produce cheaper than us in the developed countries, so called first world democracies are now much older and indebted than 40 years ago (no wonder societies have shifted so hard to the right), buying a house is now waaaay more expensive than 40 years ago, you cannot earn a livable wage just assembling toasters like 40 years ago, you just cannot roll automation and digitization back, no matter how much you complain...

The past cannot come back, neither will it come back just because some people want it to. It's completely futile, but people are not rational about this, they're completely emotional and tribal.

It's like a huge, collective effort in denial: denying that we in the developed world are older, not the first ones in the world anymore, that other countries we always considered inferior to us are even surpassing us technologically while we complain and hope for a savior that brings us 40 years back when we, the white guys, ruled all over.

I don't see it happening: being angry and voting the far right may make some people feel good, it may make them feel they're somehow taking their country back, but it's not going to stop China, India and other countries from developing, investing in new technologies and even creating trade alliances that bypass the US or the EU.

My question: was there a moment in history where societies were so shifted to the right like today? How long did it last?

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[–] JizzmasterD@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 minute ago

Until a war, famine or plague was terrible enough to make people realize that most of their social differences weren’t as important as they thought and they had to rally round an ideal to survive.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It ended with guillotines.

[–] AshMan85@lemmy.world 2 points 21 minutes ago

No, there is more recent time in 1930s germany

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 18 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Evil always gets ahead because it's willing to do anything to "win." Good? Not so much. (Well actual good, anyway - not that fake shit that does things claiming their "Good Book" backs them up on it, for example.)

The only reason Good gets control every so often is because Evil is too focused on "winning" & ultimately inadvertently destroys its own foundations in order to do so. Once it figures out how to avoid that, we're really screwed.

The closest example of that I can think of is China's current leader. I'll grant many will somewhat rightly claim he's done a lot of good over there, but he's definitely accomplished a fair bit of it through some significant evils.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca 34 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

It lasted most of history. It seems like every time society shifts to the left, it only lasts for a few generations before it dies under autocratic control.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

The problem is they'll always be shitty fascists who think they should be in charge of everything.

And the majority of people only realize how bad that is when they lived thru it.

For an enduring free society, it needs to be a foundational belief that everyone is equal and has basic inalienable rights....

And before anyone says we tried that, their "everyone" was just "white landowning men".

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 points 15 minutes ago

The problem is that the left, progressives, whatever... are usually more open minded and liberal so they bicker and find nuance in EVERYTHING. Which is nice.... But also a massive weakness when it comes to building strong coalitions.

The left is endlessly sub dividing... each group gate keeping harder than the previous... each one more white knighting than the previous with endless, useless infighting.

Meanwhile the right is like "brown people are to blame for everything!"

"Sounds, good here's my vote...."

😐

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 27 points 4 hours ago

Yes, in 1930s. Lasted till 1945.

[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 8 points 3 hours ago

Humans being awful is most of our entire written history. Bill Wurst has the cliff notes:

https://youtu.be/xuCn8ux2gbs

The powerful made themselves divine deities directly or made up religions where the deity gave them power over others. Conquest, war, rape, tribalism, raids, corruption, oppression, suppression, slavery, spice trade, disease, volancoes causing crop failures and wiping out empires, or causing starving pirate raids who did the same, ice ages causing genetic bottle necks where we almost go extinct, whatever.

You could read David Mitchell's recent book "Unruly" about the ~1600 years of violent dumb misery following the fall of Rome just in the land whuch became the U.K. if you like. Pretty dry material but he does his best as a comedian to get through it all. It's a very long list of short lived Kings (and a couple Queens) murdering each other and peasants while the Northerners did the same and eventually settled and interbred and continued murdering each other and living short violent dumb lives. A lot of them aspired to be like a fictional King Arthur. There's your yearning for past glories. A little like today. It's not real, it's fantasy.

Until the printing press and the renaissance, sort of. Temporarily destabilised the powerful. Kinda like the internet. Or radio broadcast I suppose. The old guard didn't know how to exploit it at first. Printing press fucked up the massively corrupt Catholics at the time, fresh off their crusades and coming up with the idea of paying money to get into heaven. They really hated the idea of peasants learning how to read too. Martin Luther had a bunch of reasons they sucked. One was a complaint about how many little boys each priest kept. Nothing new under the Sun.

Relating any of it to the "right wing" becomes incoherent in a hurry when trying to compare things to modernity. Conservatives are what Royalists became after people kept cutting Royal heads off. Suffice to say though, it was shit fucking awful almost all the time humans have existed.

Looking to the future with climate change in a few hundred years and I expect way more extremism and a lot of death fighting and starving over the dwindling habitable land near the poles.

Eventually the Sun gets too hot even if we were perfect and peaceful and the oceans boil into space. Long before the Red Giant phase swallows the scorched Earth entirely. The end.

Anyways, I've deliberately sterilised myself.

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 12 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The fascist times throughout Europe. It was at a different time in each country.

Before, there weren't what we would call democracies, but some were democracies at an early stage. Later, people learned to get along with people who voted for other parties.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 5 points 4 hours ago

I'd say all of history until 1968?

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago

Look for the grift in every single country you mentioned, because ultimately, that's the goal. They want the power and control of money. A narcissist is probably behind every one too. They think they can do it.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

It constantly goes in cycles, three steps forwards, two steps backward.

[–] DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I think the best thing to do is just find our own alternative communities. Make our own hangouts. Our own clubs. We can still live life and be happy even if the rest of society is shit. Depending on how this upcoming elections goes. I might go underground. Just disconnect from society. Stop talking to normies outside of business. I will have put in my 35 years of fighting. I don't want to be miserable my entire life. I don't want to argue with people my entire life. Maybe it's just impossible to connect with people who arent like us. That doesn't mean we have to be sad. It doesn't mean we have to be alone. We can make our own spaces. Stay off the grid and under the radar. Have fun and have our own culture with people who like us.