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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 22 points 3 days ago (5 children)

No matter how bad you have it someone else has it worse.

In order to do my job I have to log into the VPN, and then remote desktop onto a server, then from that server remote desktop onto another server. Then I have to go back to the first remote desktop and remote desktop onto a different server which from there I can remote desktop onto two other servers, on one of those servers there are two different log ons which I can use to do different tasks.

Then back on the main desktop I can remotely connect via web browser to a virtual machine that I can then remote desktop onto a server. If I want to change the password on that server I have to remote desktop from that remote desktop from that virtual machine, into a remote desktop.

Oh and then there is the web app that I have to use that only works in Internet Explorer, but for security reasons IE has been removed from the main system, so I have an entire remote desktop literally just to use Internet Explorer.

It takes about 25 minutes to log into everything everyday and about 10 minutes to log out at the end of the day.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 14 points 3 days ago

Thanks for the aneurysm. I feel for you.

[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I bet the security "experts" who designed this are busy jerking each other off about how "secure" they've made everything

[–] LadyButterfly@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Oh ffs I got annoyed just reading the comment I can't imagine the hell of having to do that

[–] teslasaur@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

You clearly don't work in an OT environment. Network segmentation is everything.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

But why though

[–] AniZaeger@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Fuck, and here I thought AGS progressive controllers were bad. Remote desktop into the controller using a commonly known username and password to get a "salt", "hash code", "iterations", "password length", and "server name". Enter all that onto a website that has to be logged in to, all to get a generated password which is used to remote desktop desktop into the same progressive controller under a different account. Password changes every 24 hours. Oh, and did I mention that this is typically done on an active casino floor? Good times.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Can't access your phone to verify Microsoft Authenticator? Please use Microsoft Authenticator to reset your account, thanks bye.

[–] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We use duo as 2fA for our Microsoft accounts at work. Every Thursday its log into teams on phone log into teams on desktop, log into outlook on phone, log into outlook on desktop. Why can't your apps cross authenticate on the same device? How does one drive manage to stay authenticated throughout the whole process?

Any actual work I need togets done is done on a 15 year old think pad running Debian. The beefy 12th gen i9 just whirrs its fan around and occasionally gets used for emails, team chats and logging up tickets.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

There's actually a duo feature that does that.
Normally apps can't cross authenticate like that because they don't have the ability to talk to each other in a standard way that's also verifiable and secure. Teams could have a way to share your auth to something else, but it's much more difficult for it to know that the thing asking for access actually is something that's supposed to be able to do so.
OneDrive is built in to Windows, so it's able to use the authentication you use to log into the computer to talk to the Microsoft servers. (Essentially, there's like a million steps and layers of indirection).

[–] warpotato@lemmy.world 48 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Okay so I get this is a meme BUT I started using a yubikey instead of the auth app and it has done a world of good for my sanity.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

I transitioned everything to Bitwarden. Password manager, passkeys, and MFA code generation all in one app that works on all of my devices.

And then I started to self-host it via Vaultwarden and transferred all the data.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 days ago (4 children)

A friendly FYI: having your passwords and MFA in one place partially defeats the purpose

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

True, but the alternatives generally are either a pain in the ass or require yet another syncing service to have sensitive info just so I can access things reliably anywhere.

It is still more secure than SMS and email based options.

Besides, my vaultwarden still needs an MFA code to access in the first place, and that's handled by a separate generator.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I get that not everyone wants to set up something like Aegis in combination with e.g. Syncthing.

Of course it is still better than SMS and email, but I would recommend you check out Ente Auth and/or Proton Auth.

Both are end to end encrypted and you would at least have it in separate apps

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm willing to accept the slight security difference in exchange for the convenience of having access on a single app 99.9% of the time.

To get into my Vaultwarden in the first place to get my info they'd first have to know my self-hosted server exists to target. And they'd need to compromise that MFA which is handled by a separate unrelated app.

That's more than enough security for nearly everyone on the planet.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Depends on your org. I have a yubikey, a phone app Authenticator, a pin and my regular SSO login/password. All of which I have to use constantly, because some dumbass did something dumb like two fucking years ago. So I can hardly get shit done. Plus the same dumbasses who probably fucked all this up are writing production code for an actual product. Please kill me.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago

And get 15 emails from microsoft regarding how you just logged in.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 27 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Our password manager requires logging in and using the authenticator every time the session times out, so we all started using a browser plug-in to keep the session alive all day.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Seconding the ask on the extension, I hate having to log into my secret store every 15 minutes while working on stuff

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 points 4 days ago

Session alive

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[–] The_v@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The largest issue I have is the randomness of all the different security setups. One requires MFA by e-mail, one requires an authenticator, most require sms, some push to require using their app, and this random page requires a code by phone call. Now they are pushing passkeys and that is a complete cluster.

What's ironic is that most of the webpages that push these things don't reach the "Do I give a fuck?" threshold. The security is usually there to protect against unauthorized use of user stored credit cards. Since I am not liable for any fraudulent charges to the credit card, I really don't give a fuck about securing the account. Yeah I am reusing passwords, keeping them in plain text in a word doc etc..

When I worked for other companies, I moderately gave fuck about there security. Not enough to inconvenience me. If they made me change the password constantly, they got the number changing series at the end of the password - $tupidPass#01 Seriously that was my actual work password for over a decade.

Now my bank account and financial logins. You'd better believe those have every security feature they offer setup. I do not fuck around with those. I give a fuck about those.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I remember reading an article once which referred to research which suggested that making people change passwords every month made their accounts less secure, because they have to go extra steps to remember them - which usually translates to making them really obvious and/or storing them where they’re easily accessed. In one of my previous jobs where we had to change passwords every month, basically everybody would have their password written on a post-it on their computer monitor.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

In my first job I had like 7 different passwords to access different systems. Each one had different schedule of password reset. They each ended up being on a different reset schedule. I had to reset a password once or twice a week.

Yeah, everyone had their passwords on a sticky note on their monitor. I once got praise for being the one person without it. I of course had an abreviation for the system with what number series the password was on posted on my monitor.

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[–] vortexsurfer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah, that's actually also why it's no longer considered best practice to force regular password changes. But many places / websites /apps still do, obviously.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Have the day you/your company paid to have.

[–] dan69@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

On a scale of 1-10 how likely are you having conversations with your friends about

[–] martinb@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 days ago

Hmmm. Conversation, yes.

[–] pseudo@jlai.lu 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is there a community around here dedicated to the hatred of Microsoft?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 3 days ago

You mean system administrators?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

i think that's just all of lemmy at this point

[–] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Oh did you change your phone? Suffer bitch!!!

/s

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 days ago (2 children)

As someone on the other side, in IT support, you can fix this yourself and I wish more people would.

Before your old phone gets wiped and sent to the graveyard, log in using authenticator, and go to "view account" from any of the online pages for Microsoft (if you're unsure, try login.microsoft.com ). Go to your security options, and you should see all the info you need to remove the old authenticator and add a new one.

From here you can also add backups, which I encourage everyone to do.

It saves you from having to call IT all the time to fix it, and since you don't have to go through the usual back and forth of verifying who you are, or whatever, and getting them to do a thing, you can take care of it for yourself, by yourself, without those unnecessary delays.

Your IT people will appreciate it, and you'll have to talk to them a bit less as a result.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Get a yubi key then you have to find your keys

[–] fedev@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I have a Yubi key that crashes Authenticator when I select the option to it l use it. It goes into a loop asking to touch the button and type the PIN. But it does not wait for input, it just keeps creating windows until it crashes.

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[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I hate MS Auth so badly. Why don't they just implement the "normal" 2FA instead? MS doesn't work with Ente Auth

[–] quoll@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

microsoft has sucked arse for eons. the real q is why the fuck IT keeps buying their shit.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

Their sales department gets all the budget.

[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

In my country, Microsoft has inserted itself into the education system. If you want to learn system / network admin so you can run IT at pretty much any local business, it's all Microsoft.

To be fair, Active Directory does make it easier to manage a bunch of windows boxes with consistent users and permissions. When your users are business people mashing Excel spreadsheets all day, and build their lives and identities around Excel, you pretty much have to give them the environment that Excel runs in, which is Microsoft.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago

Idk, they probably want someone to blame

[–] required@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You might be able to use a "normal" (TOTP-compliant / Google Authenticator-like) 2FA app even with Microsoft work accounts. One of the prompts to download MS Authenticator has a "use a different app" option:

Microsoft Authenticator set-up prompt, titled "Start by getting the app". It reads: "On your phone, install the Microsoft Authenticator app. Download now. After you install the Microsoft Authenticator app on your device, choose Next." Below this there are Next and Cancel buttons with a text link reading "I want to use a different authenticator app" immediately above.

I assume admins can disable it, but it's also easy to miss. On top of this, this prompt only shows up when attempting to add a new MS Authenticator, since there is no "other app" option among the authenticator type choices.

[–] fin@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Nah I guess our admins have disabled it. fuck...

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 11 points 4 days ago (2 children)

You should try Okta instead! It's... blue.

[–] chellomere@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Da ba dee da ba da

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[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 8 points 4 days ago

One day Ms will make the power point you're sharing on teams even smaller than today.....but I'm here to tell you how to do it now. Take a look at the slide below!

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Lemmy is now better than teams! Yey!

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