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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 120 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The people ordering and executing this are objectively bad people. Like the European fascists that came before them. They're irredeemable and their day will come.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 34 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Hitler specifically was openly inspired by americas genocide against the indigenous peoples and jim crow laws/segregation. This has always been what america is. The internet has made it harder to hide it

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America was founded on the principles that all people are created equal, and we have the God-given human rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

Our nation seemed to abandon those principles almost from the start, but they are still worthy principles upon which to base a nation, and IF the Forces of Good manage to wrest power away from the MAGA Evil, we need to reconfigure our nation to truly honor the promise of those Founding Principles.

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[–] massacre@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Stop with this messaging. Many Americans fought those bullshit anti native and anti black/brown laws and thinking and this is the death throws of an ignorant but very vocal minority. They would have disappeared under the rug if not for VERY wealthy and manipulative people making them feel like their terrible views were justified instead of socially bankrupt. All to enrich and empower those evil wealthy people. They don't care about race, just distracting idiots from wealth inequality. America has done a lot of good in the world. We just got a wake up call that the fight against racism and hate and bigotry of our past will flare up if we are not diligent.

I got my future in laws to stop saying the N word which was rampant in their language and while they never said it around me ever again I also know that percolated with shame into other conversations. America is full of loving and welcoming people. We've just got gobs of money and constant messaging trying to convince us to go back to the 50s. We weren't ALWAYS like this and we WILL defeat this and progress. The constant negativity is strangling. Please change your mindset. The average american is not the average Trump Nazi cultist..

[–] Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The Founding Fathers set up a durable and highly respected system of governance, and are widely celebrated for that. They were also slave owners, and are widely condemned for that. People are complicated, and accepting that the same person leaves both positive and negative legacies is important to understanding them.

Denying and suppressing the bad parts of our history is unhelpful. Accepting the bad parts and trying to learn from them gives us the best shot at doing better in the future. We can both celebrate the good legacies of our country and at the same time acknowledge the bad ones.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

That and the eugenics movement. His Aktion T4 plan was inspired by the American eugenics movement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

65-75 million people died before the Nuremberg trials happened

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 108 points 3 weeks ago (33 children)

Until it happens to white people, no one's going to care.

[–] arin@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They have deported white Europeans.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I send videos like this to my parents, and the first reply is "well how do you know they're not criminals?"

Because these aren't fucking cops Dad. If they were actual criminals, they'd be calling for backup when a crowd in Chicago tries to stop them from kidnapping someone. They would be bringing them in and charging them so we can determine if they are criminals or not. We have a fucking process for this already and it seems like either you forgot this, or you believe that the process shouldn't apply to these people. Which would make you racist. And I keep reminding you about due process, and you keep telling me that you agree it's important, so... Racism it is.

"HOW DARE YOU CALL ME RACIST!"

Ok Dad.

Maybe don't assume the person being brutalized by cops is a criminal because he's brown, and I won't think you're racist.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The 12-gauge leaning on my desk says they'll have a hard time getting in here. If they catch me in bed, they'll answer to the AR-15.

But it'll never happen because they're only picking on people who can't or won't fight back.

[–] Nastybutler@lemmy.world 53 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ok. So you're able to maybe get one or two before the other 10 of them, with full auto capabilities, open fire in your house. If you have family there you've condemned them to death. If you don't, you're dead and they'll paint you as the villain and use you as an excuse to erase the thin veneer of civility that's been keeping them from declaring martial law.

Although once that happens the whole country will have to chose a side, and I'd like to believe the fascist don't have the numbers to hold power for long. So thank you for your sacrifice

[–] Gaja0@lemmy.zip 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Damn. I really thought you were going to say violence isn't a solution. You're asking him to do a flip when he jumps.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago

More like earn a seat in Valhalla at that point.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Police can see how many guns you have registered at your home so I’m going to say that these ice goons are choosing easier targets for their unconstitutional 4th amendment violations

[–] arin@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly they can do anything like assault and we still cannot defend ourselves. Coz they are heavily armed and armored and will retaliate and call backup. Lose lose situation. If you shoot you are guaranteed dead, and probably anyone else who is in the home will be dead

[–] MyNameIsIgglePiggle@sh.itjust.works 42 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

This is what the gun amendment was for people.

[–] CubitOom 22 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

I have guns. But if a heavily armed paramilitary knocks down my door with assault weapons pointed at my face I won't have the chance to use it.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

That's why you don't open the door for ICE

Get your rifle, aim it at the door.

They can choose what happens next.

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)
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[–] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yet another escalation to the next level. No consequence comes of it. Death camps can't be very far off.

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What other info do we have about this case?

[–] CubitOom 18 points 3 weeks ago

Are we expecting the fascist that disappear people to be transparent?

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

MAGA is a terrorist organization run by a demented convicted criminal traitor Donald Trump and a neo-nazi asshole Stephen Miller.

This is illegal, this is terrorism.

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[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are reasons why police forces don't do this.

don and ICE think they're better than cops but all what're doing is ignoring history.

[–] telllos@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"Its okey, its okey"

In what world is this okey?????

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

okey isn't okay.

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