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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 137 points 3 days ago (8 children)

If only he'd gone the next step and actually looked up how electrolytes work.

This is how conspiracy theorists actually think, they do a single Google search, fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese, and form a totally incoherent theory as a result. Once the theory is formed, any evidence to the contrary is disregarded.

Flat earthers primary reason for believing the earth is flat is that otherwise water wouldn't form puddles and lakes it would always be flowing downhill. This makes perfect sense provided you've failed to achieve a 12-year-old's understanding of gravity. Which of course they have failed to achieve because of the aforementioned intellectual deficiency.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

they do a single Google search, fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese, and form a totally incoherent theory as a result

I mean, it's more complicated than that on two levels.

Firstly, sports drinks like Gatorade were formulated for a very specific kind of short term high intensity activity (specifically, playing football in Florida during the summer). But for lower intensity and longer term exercising (anything over two hours - long distance running / biking / swimming, most notably) its generally worse for you than water. So expressing a degree of skepticism is warranted. That's doubly so in the face of endless marketing and native advertisement in sports media.

Secondly, when you get into the dietary sciences and start running into contradictions between the more well-established benefits of drinking water relative to the dubious claims of marketing agencies, it can easily become difficult to determine what is and is not bullshit. Because Google itself has been marketed as a valuable tool for research and analysis, and because so much of our academic infrastructure has been privatized (Google being a prime example), even the most intellectually curious and level headed can become overwhelmed with the task of "Doing Your Own Research".

Flat earthers primary reason for believing the earth is flat is that otherwise water wouldn’t form puddles and lakes it would always be flowing downhill.

The primary reason for believing the Earth is flat is that the ground is flat in much of the country. People don't natively intuit that the earth is round, they have to be told or to engage in some fairly non-intuitive experimentation. To grapple with the idea of a round earth, you have to start taking second and third hand accounts at face value or get reasonably good at geometry and have a certain bedrock faith in the accuracy of your calculations.

I'd argue that flat earthers are more curious and often more intelligent than their "I believe the earth is round cause that's what they told me" set. And its often this curiosity - combined with some error in logic or bad initial data - that leads them to try and prove the unproveable so doggedly.

But so many people fall into the trap of believing intelligence leads to correctness. You can be very smart and still end up with a very wrong answer. What's more, if you're surrounded by people you don't trust (because you believe you are smarter than them), it can be difficult to convince you of your own failings precisely because you don't have enough of an intellectual peer base to understand your reasoning, spot the mistake, and demonstrate a counter-example.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

its often this curiosity - combined with some error in logic or bad initial data - that leads them to try and prove the unproveable so doggedly.

You know what we call people who perform experimental tests on a given hypothesis?

Scientists

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Scientists regularly get things wrong, which is why we have peer review.

The Flat Earther phenomenon is far more about a lack of trustworthy and accessible peer review than a critical mass of dumb people.

The flat earthers are a meme encouraged by all governments to discredit conspiracy theories in general.

[–] WinGirl99@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

fail to understand the answer because typically they have the intelligence of a lump of cheese,

LMFAOOOO

[–] GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

It's also how conspiracy theories spread.

People sharing it thinking it's a joke.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

the other factor is the ego-trip they go on because they are 'special' and 'not sheep'.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Whoa now, lets not give flat earthers so much credit. That doesnt even make sense within their own theories. Logic is not the point

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well it does. Here's the logic, with proof by negation:

  1. Earth is round (assertion to disprove)
  2. Water flows around round objects
  3. Water doesn't flow on the earth, it stays put, therefore the earth is not round

That's as far as it goes.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Step 2 seems like a big leap. Either with or without gravity, im not sure anyone had made the case that water flows around round objects. Unless youre talking about the cowanda effect, which i doubt flat earthers are aware of.

I want to be clear, im not ridiculing you or in any way attenpting to be disrespectful, i just dont think a group that prides themselves on not having logical consistency should be considered seriously because by engaging in intellectualism with flat earthers or seriously attempting to debunk them, you are adding to their legitmacy.

Youre effectively saying "this needs to be disproved" when instead the onus should be on them to prove it, and until they are serious with their arguments they shouldnt be taken as anything more than a meme.

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[–] _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

water doesn't flow aslong as you ignore all the flowing water

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The topic is puddles/lakes, not rivers.

[–] _AutumnMoon_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Altitude change.

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[–] bus_factor@lemmy.world 220 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's almost like the amount of salt matters.

[–] radix@lemmy.world 102 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Water: good

Hyperhydration: exists

The dose makes the poison.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

After all breathing pure oxygen is incredibly bad for your health.

[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 11 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Everyone that has breathed oxygen has died or will die. Breathing oxygen is 100% fatal.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 70 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] petersr@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

And the fact that you might drink electrolyte beverages after sweating.

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[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 60 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can drink a little amount of salt water and probably come out ahead... Drink too much and you get into a death spiral though

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)
[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 36 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Because your kidneys can filter out a certain percentage of salt, and that's based on the blood concentration

But if your blood goes above the level where the water is being drawn out of your cells and drying them out, you'll be dehydrated from the inside out

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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because you can have a little salt, as a treat.

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[–] Bluewing@discuss.online 1 points 2 days ago

That is a good question for a nephrologist.

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[–] licheas@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago

It's what plants crave!

[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t this the plot of Idiocracy?

[–] MyBrainHurts@piefed.ca 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a major plot point. Brawndo, the Thirst Mutilator, has been put into almost everything in place of water ("water, like from the toiler?") And consequently kills the crops.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

How the fuck would it even do that? It's got what plants crave.

It's got electrolytes

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I mean it does make me wonder why electrolyte water is good but sea/saltwater is bad. The types of salts? The ratio?

[–] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 8 points 2 days ago

The amount of salt. In an emergency you can stretch your drinking water with sea water. But it could obviously fire backwards.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

It's got what plants crave!

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Fun fact: the further into the Baltic Sea you go (ie the farther you are from Copenhagen), the less salty it is. Around Stockholm iirc you can just drink the water straight up and rehydrate instead of dehydrating.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yeah, but drinking the Baltic sea's water, one of the most if not the most polluted sea of the world, will cause you other problems 😅

[–] raman_klogius@ani.social 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

rehydrating and give you cancer :v

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The Danish people must be salty about that.

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[–] RedSnt@feddit.dk 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Apparently there's on average 3.5% salt in seawater, so you could probably drink ~~1 liter~~ 100 ml daily and be fine assuming you supplement it with something "else". ~you~ ~know~ ~what..~

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 9 points 3 days ago (5 children)

You won't die immediately, but there's no way that consuming 35g salt/day won't lead to severe health issues down the line ...

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[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You can't supplement it with your urine, because your urine will be containing the salts you're trying to get rid of.

If you had an ample supply of urine from someone who was extremely well hydrated, maybe.

But yeah no you shouldn't be drinking seawater at all, it's just too salty. You're expending more water of get rid of the salt. Coffee or tea would be fine despite slight diuretic effects, but ocean water is just too salty.

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