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‘But there is a difference between recognising AI use and proving its use. So I tried an experiment. … I received 122 paper submissions. Of those, the Trojan horse easily identified 33 AI-generated papers. I sent these stats to all the students and gave them the opportunity to admit to using AI before they were locked into failing the class. Another 14 outed themselves. In other words, nearly 39% of the submissions were at least partially written by AI.‘

Article archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20251125225915/https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/set-trap-to-catch-students-cheating-ai_uk_691f20d1e4b00ed8a94f4c01

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 3 points 21 hours ago

Curious why you're only posting the archived version? This article is not paywalled...

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm guessing 33 people were too lazy to copy data into a box and relied on ChatGPT OCR lol.

This was a great article about the use of AI, but I think this also exposed bad/zero effort cheating.

There's a reason why even the ye olde Wikipedia copy-pasters would rearrange sentences to make sure they can game the plagiarism checker.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Great story with predictable results. Welcome to your AI future where people give their thinking over to machines made by sociopaths.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 197 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Distillation:

Let me tell you why the Trojan horse worked. It is because students do not know what they do not know. My hidden text asked them to write the paper “from a Marxist perspective”. Since the events in the book had little to do with the later development of Marxism, I thought the resulting essay might raise a red flag with students, but it didn’t.

I had at least eight students come to my office to make their case against the allegations, but not a single one of them could explain to me what Marxism is, how it worked as an analytical lens or how it even made its way into their papers they claimed to have written. The most shocking part was that apparently, when ChatGPT read the prompt, it even directly asked if it should include Marxism, and they all said yes. As one student said to me, “I thought it sounded smart.”

I decided to not punish them. All I know how to do is teach, so that’s what I did. I assigned a wonderful essay by Cal Poly professor Patrick Lin that he addressed to his class on the benefits and detriments of AI use. I attached instructions that asked them to read it and reflect. These instructions also had a Trojan horse.

Thirty-six of my AI students completed it. One of them used AI, and the other 12 have been slowly dropping the class. Ultimately, 35 out of 47 isn’t too bad. The responses to the assignment were generally good, and some were deeply reflective.

But a handful said something I found quite sad: “I just wanted to write the best essay I could.” Those students in question, who at least tried to provide some of their own thoughts before mixing them with the generated result, had already written the best essay they could. And I guess that’s why I hate AI in the classroom as much as I do.

Students are afraid to fail, and AI presents itself as a saviour. But what we learn from history is that progress requires failure. It requires reflection. Students are not just undermining their ability to learn, but to someday lead.

[–] PKscope@lemmy.world 177 points 1 day ago (14 children)

The only problem I have with the whole "Don't be afraid to fail" thing, is that so much rides on the grades a student receives it makes it very difficult to not treat every assignment as a highly critical task which must be as close to perfect as possible. I totally agree with this professor and I believe he did the right thing by the students. The problem is the system itself.

Those who are going to outsource their work are likely to always outsource their work or take the path of least resistance. You can't moral lesson or embarrass that away, usually. But the rest of the class seems to have learned a valuable lesson, or at least learned how to cheat better.

Regardless, we need to stop having everything boil down to the grades. There's good reasons grades are important, but there are even more that are detrimental. I don't know the answer, I just know the system is broken. Maybe it's just capitalism that's broken.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Society: "don't be afraid to fail!"

Also society: actively punishes failure with intricate systems such as admissions, CV screening, and increasing fewer safety nets

[–] Bgugi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

holding a gun to your head "why are you so nervous?"

[–] Waldelfe@feddit.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I fully agree. This was decades in the making. Good grades became the only important thing, we told students every day they won't amount to anything if they don't have straight As and then act surprised when they panic and use any tool to make it.

But we also leave them alone with a bunch of technology way too young which fosters a mentality of "Why do it myself when I've so many ways to have it done by a computer".

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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 158 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Here's the link to the actual article. I get that you're trying to do users a favour to bypass tracking at the original URL, but the Internet Archive is a Free service that shouldn't be abused for link cleaning as it costs a lot of money to store and serve all this stuff and it's meant as an "archive", not an ad-blocking proxy.

I'm posting this in part because currently clicking that link errors it with a "too many requests" error. Let's try to be a little kinder to the good guys, shall we?

If users wasnt a cleaner/safer/faster browsing experience, I recommend ditching Chrome for Firefox and getting the standard set of extensions: uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, etc.

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[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Whatever happened to the tests which you have to sit and do to prove you know the thing you’re writing about?

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[–] Randelung@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Great article.

How do we teach that when a student doesn’t want to learn?

Good question. But maybe we've gone overboard with the density of information and we just need to relax a little and give the kids their childhood back.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's not the density of information. It's the end goal of the process. Students are only given motivation to learn for a career and people have figured out that most jobs are bullshit. If they can bullshit their way though college, they can bullshit their into a career. When layoffs are done by lottery, it's not even like the sincere students can be safe. It's bullshit stacked on top of other bullshit.

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[–] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I'm all for letting children be children, but this article is about college students who are, generally speaking, supposed to be adults.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 47 points 1 day ago (4 children)

39% of the submissions were at least partially written by AI

That's better than my class. I taught CS101 last year, code not papers. 90%+ of the homework was done with AI. There was literally just 1 person who would turn in unique code. Everyone else would turn in ChatGPT code.

I adapted by making the homework worth very little of the grade and moving the bulk of the grade to in-class paper and pencil exams.

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[–] 474D@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Don't really know how to feel about this because 15 years ago, all I did was reword Wikipedia pages to make a good paper. I went to college because I was led to believe it was a requirement to do well in life. I still learned a lot, but that was mostly through the social interaction of coursework. And honestly, I don't use anything from college in my current engineering job, it was all on-the-job panic learning. If I were to go back to college today, it would be such an enlightening experience of learning, but when you're a kid getting out of high school, you're just trying to get by with some gameplan that you've only been told about. Idk. I don't blame them for using a tool that's so easily accessible because college is about fun too. I guess I wouldn't do it different at that age .

[–] oyo@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago

This refrain I keep hearing of "I don't use anything I learned in college" is an INSANE take. Unless you went to some fly-by-night for-profit scam college, you learned way more than you think, even if it didn't include some specific engineering technique. You mentioned social interaction, but critical thinking is the big one. We need to stop devaluing education-it's critical for our future. We can't dismiss it just because capitalist vultures are ruining it. We need to fight to make it what it should be.

[–] JustAnotherPodunk@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think that rewording wikipedia is slightly better though. It still requires you to digest some of the information. Kind of like when your teacher let you create notes on a note card for the test. You have to actually read and write the information. You get tricked into learning information.

Ai, just does it for you. There's no need to do much else, and it's reliability is significantly worse that random wiki editors could ever be. I see little real learning with ai.

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