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[–] Cruel@programming.dev 35 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Careful. Trying to sell Brave as a homophobe web browser won't hurt it like you guys think.

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 123 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Peter Theil is the primary investor in Brave.

For those not in the know, Peter Theil is a MAGA Christian-Nationalist fascist, and owner of Palantir.

Palantir, is the military industrial complex company Trump has entrusted to create a mass surveillance network on US citizens, completely against the 4th Amendment, and dwarfing the NSA spying that was exposed by Snowden.

You can garuntee any activity you do in Brave is being tracked and sent to that network.

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[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 247 points 3 days ago (29 children)

I think a lot of people don't know any of the controversy related to brave and just use it because they know it as the most private chromium browser

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 202 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Marketing has really worked for Brave.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 59 points 3 days ago

That is the sad state of the world. Mass manipulating sentiment like some commercial psyop is a built in "feature" of the system.

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 114 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

I know of the controversies, I just don't think they're all that big when you actually examine them.

Homophobia

I'm part of the LGBT community and I just think there are bigger fish to fry. One of the guys involved made a $1k donation to an anti-prop 8 campaign like 15 years ago. That's it. That's the controversy. Like, yea it's shitty, but there was a lot more hate toward the community back then. People have grown and changed their views a lot in the years since. If we boycott every single company or individual who ever did anything even remotely homophobic, no matter their actions since, we'd essentially have to be living in a commune growing and making literally everything ourselves. Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don't see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.

Cryptocurrency

It's opt-in. It asks you once, and then never again. It was developed at a time when crypto was popular and was a feature people wanted. It was seen as a good thing when it first came out. Public opinion on crypto has soured, but plenty of people who wanted it still use the feature on brave. They have no good reason to scrap it. Especially because, again, it's opt-in only. Don't like it? Cool, don't use it. They aren't pushing it on you. But people hear the word crypto and immediately break out the pitchforks.

Do you even know what the goal of their cryptocurrency was? I think it's safe to say its failed at this point, but the goal was to completely rework how ads function on the internet. It would have killed the modern advertisement methods where ads are shoved in your face and you get nothing for it. Instead, it would have directly paid you a tiny amount any time you saw an ad, with you being able to choose how many you saw, or even if you saw any at all. Then you'd either be able to either keep the money for yourself, or donate it to websites/content creators of your choice. Take away the crypto part of it, and that's actually a pretty admirable goal in my book.

Ad affiliate links

Brave's biggest, actual, controversy is that they replaced some affiliate links with their own. Specifically links to binance.us, which is a crypto market. When it was found, Brave changed their code extremely quickly and claimed it was a bug. Now, companies have often lied through their teeth and claimed malicious actions were a "mistake" or a "bug", so maybe that is the same case here. But considering it was one site only, it was fixed almost immediately, and when you look at how it was actually replacing links (suggested auto fill in the address bar, pulled from browsing history) I am leaning toward it actually being unintentional.

Conclusion

I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it. People most vocal with their complaints rarely take the time to dig into the facts and see if it's really as bad as they claim; or they fully know it's not as bad, but never want to let the truth get in the way of a good ol' fashion, hate-boner, circle-jerk.

Is Brave the best browser? Hahahaha no. It's still a chromium fork and has been a little too eager to integrate AI in my opinion. But it's FAR from the worst and is the probably the best privacy focused browser for those that don't understand technology and struggle to use third-party ad-ons. It's just a little ridiculous that while there are legitimate things to complain about, most people's arguments seem to always stem from the 3 topics above.

Now cue the downvotes because I'm clearly some crypto fascist boot-licker for daring to believe "nuance" isn't a made up word.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

A couple points: Brendan Eich, the one that made the prop-8 donation, is the current CEO of Brave, not just "one of the guys involved". In a related problem, I find it a little difficult to believe that someone who doesn't still hold their anti-gay views would be quite so eager to take cash from Peter Thiel (via his Firm Founder Fund) and I especially do not want to be involved with a browser supported by Thiel when the terms of his investment are private (like, does he have access to brave's user data? We'd like to think no, but boy are they shaking hands with the devil while asking us to trust them.)

Another big piece of criticism that was excluded: Brave created a bunch of profiles for content creators without telling them then used those to solicit donations on behalf of those content creators, then not only refused to refund users who were deceived they kept all the money they said would go to the content creators.

I think people just like to hate things, and will find any reason to continue to do so as long as their little corner of the internet tells them they should hate it.

Trying to present aspects of this as overblown is possibly true - their affiliate link scam was just to binance.us and that gets left out of a lot of this, but at the same time that's a damned difficult thing to sell as just having been a mistake when it was auto-replacing the links to something they were the beneficiaries of.

Btw, this same guy is the one who developed JavaScript and I don’t see even remotely the same level of hate for that, so it really feels like people are just being selectively upset.

Well sure, but he's not actively the CEO of javascript, and as far as I'm aware hasn't ever been involved with javascript since it was rolled into the OpenJS Foundation.

(Also: Brendan Eich shared a bunch of covid conspiracy theory / misinformation stuff. Sure that's a minor point, absolutely everyone sure was doing that back then and why should we judge, but still it's not a great look.)

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[–] fizzle@quokk.au 36 points 3 days ago

Wow this is so... sane.

Being childish and reductive I wanted to downvote anything supporting Brave, but I find you've challenged my views on this.

That said, I think I'm just going to re-frame my dislike for Brave users by assuming they're all crypto-weirdos.

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[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 54 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Which it isn't, and also Chromium sucks, so they're really just mag dumping into their foot

[–] SteelEmpire@anarchist.nexus 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The web sucks, because of Google's EEE approach with Chromium; there just isn't a good way to use the web anymore. I use librewolf, it's okay.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Same reason they used Chrome. “What else is there?”

Software discoverability is kind of bad these days, and getting worse.

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ive found alternativeto.net pretty useful.

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[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I only stopped using Firefox when an update broke GPU acceleration on my PC. Would be happy to switch back if it gets fixed, but it seems they're more interested in adding AI slop, which doesn't bode well for the last bastion of anti-Google monopoly resistance. 🤷

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago

Wtf hardware do you have? Arc?

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

They have said they're adding an off switch for all their AI stuff in Q1 next year. We'll see how well it works, though.

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 88 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 61 points 3 days ago (1 children)

*which is also still chrome

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[–] CptGiggles@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Chromium based browsers have no cookie isolation like FF with multi account containers. They recommend Profiles but a separate window eats way more RAM and the experience is just much worse. I use Zen

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[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 62 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I use Netscape Navigator like a real keyboard cowboy!

[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Lynx is all the UI you need.

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[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sadly some of it is that the folks at Brave are very good at burying their bad reputation under marketing

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[–] GreenShimada@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Not just that, it's that Brave has this cult-like following for being out-of-the-box, Fisher Price My First Privacy Browser^TM^ easy to use.

Oh.....oh, hey, Apple, I'm sorry, I didn't see you there.

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[–] TerranFenrir@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I used to use brave when I just started becoming privacy aware. Here are the reasons why:

  • it's chromium based. I loved the way chromium based browsers looked, especially when compared to Firefox. They had a comforting feel to them, whereas Firefox had a very "office-ey" feel to it.
  • I wasn't aware of the issues of chromium dominating the market share that it does and how monopolization in this manner can be harmful.
  • I wasn't aware of the people behind brave.
  • I had seen older people use Firefox (with the default UI, which I didn't like). That's why, I associated Firefox with "old and outdated". I hadn't seen anyone use brave, and it looked quite good at the time for me.

Now, I use Mercury, a Firefox fork (ikik, it hasn't seen an update in a long time, shush). I've loaded it up with my custom CSS, so its appearance is exactly the way I like.

[–] fatalicus@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Mercury has had a open high criticality cve for almost a year and a half now, that is being actively exploited.

Either switch to Firefox or a fork that is actually being maintained, or just block your machine from the Internet.

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[–] ktowner15@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm hoping something happens with Ladybird eventually, but who knows ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

I used brave for a while, I got 10$ I also got 10$ from Honey, apparently only scams give me anything

Time to warm up the popcorn machine.

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