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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 205 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is something you learn the hard way about neoliberal meritocracy..."They only hire the best and you fight to get there, you're the best until you inevitably aren't at your best...and once you aren't at your best even for a moment of weakness, then you are not the best...and you never were". This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

This is why everyone needs protection from a work culture that burns through people.

You are all welcome to Europe for that. Come on over.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] X@piefed.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I dunno, if they create a braindrain, I’m okay with that.

[–] velindora@lemmy.cafe 6 points 2 weeks ago

They don’t need to leave the US to create a brain drain. It’s happening naturally haha

[–] Quokka@quokk.au 35 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Europe's going through a pretty big racist anti-immigrant phase, so probably not the best of ideas.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Who's downvoting this??? It's literally true. Listen to any debate of european legislatures on immigration and they will just say the things the American right has dogwhistles for.

[–] RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Very true. But we are still fighting and willing to get out in the streets.

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[–] NewDark@lemmings.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For now anyway. Europe is not immune to fascism.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Definitely not, but we still have much more favorable worker laws.

[–] _Nico198X_@europe.pub 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

definitely. we have to fight, and HARD, to not fall into what America is becoming.

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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It doesn’t seem like Europe is very open to American immigrants these days….

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[–] Krono@lemmy.today 91 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

In my experience, when you bring up FMLA, then you're going to be fired.

Its a well-intentioned protection, but not enough legal teeth. Corporations have learned how to work around it.

This problem will continue to get worse until workers gain power in our society. Mass unionization or socialist revolution would solve the problem; both are very unlikely.

All that is left is violence; may a thousand Luigi's bloom.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

this must be an american thing.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

it really is wild how toothless american labor is

[–] Tabula_stercore@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

Land of the free (to be exploited by a rich white minority)

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[–] Jhuskindle@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes we have no mandatory paid breaks. If you get a holiday you are lucky. We have no medical protection. Few states have mandatory accrual of some days off or sick day. It's horrible here.

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[–] tacosanonymous@mander.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago

My body is ready.

[–] Jessvj93@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Supposedly theres a general mass strike planned for 2028. I'll be participating as a UAW member.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Over 2 years away? What will that even do?

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is always what bothered me about being American.

We protest on convenient days because most people can't be bothered on work days.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Without work, we lose our job. Without job, no healthcare or house or food or any kind of assistance. No unions to really speak of and no safety net. System has us by the balls.

They say 36 hours without food causes total upheaval, it seems like that is what will be necessary for an acute change.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The sad thing is what is expected now: the manager who made this decision will get fired, if we’re lucky. But their bosses who set the policy, incentives and company culture to do this will apologize profusely, initiate some corporate training and proceed to change nothing. And neither will any other company.

All over database software, that functions alright as is.


The state of things feels pretty depressing to me. It feels like accountability at the highest levels is vanishing, especially when I see people like Bezos, Zuck or Musk (or more local leaders outside of my online habits) pursue completely irrational things, with zero consequence. It’s not getting any better; it’s getting so bad even the impact the economy and quality-of-life is getting hard to ignore.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I actually think the expected reality is worse:

The family will likely settle out of court. MongoDB will admit to no wrongdoing and the settlement will be sealed and there will be an NDA signed by the family, essentially making it impossible for future employees to get the help they need.

If the family really, really cares about their daughter's legacy, they need to hold out until MongoDB is willing to admit to wrongdoing, even if it means they don't see a penny.

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Mongo's strategy will be no different than any other corporate: circle the wagons, put out some "empathetic" release, then get back to maximizing revenue.

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 77 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I had this happen to me at a company that is now an IBM subsidiary. I took FMLA leave to get mental health help to cope with the burnout, and about a week after I got back, they took me into an office for a "quick catch-up meeting" where they told me it wasn't working out and that I had to go. I'd worked my balls off, getting promoted directly from product support up to software engineering within a year, but apparently that didn't indicate anything positive to them.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Does it rhyme with bedcat?

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'll just come out and say it was SevOne, although it was well before the acquisition. This was right around the time they got a huge infusion of cash from Chinese investors.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sorry, must have been rough.

[–] PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 15 points 2 weeks ago

Thanks, it was. What's sad is that, when it was just owned by Bain Capital (Mitt Romney's company), things were actually excellent. Great benefits, great work-life balance, if you needed a break you took a break. Then the Chinese money came in and all of a sudden everything went to shit.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

yup, taking fmla just signals to these jackals that you actually know your rights...and they don't want you potentially spreading that knowledge via cultural osmosis into their company

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[–] flightyhobler@lemmy.world 66 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] reev@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m sure this happens to thousands of people every year in America. It’s good that awareness is being spread about our dystopian hellscape

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Happened to me. Went on leave specifically for mental health issues caused by work. Fired first day of leave.

[–] softwarist@programming.dev 7 points 2 weeks ago

I'm glad you're still with us, friend. Hope everything's alright.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hawkernews being unhinged capitalists as always:

aeternum: 18h

Sad.

And perhaps a controversial take but consider the counterfactual: Should it be illegal to fire employees that recent took mental health leave? Get a bad review or put on a PIP? It's already becoming a common strategy to immediately take mental health/sick leave.

0xbadc0de5: 3h

This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here. If her partner left her while she was having a prolonged mental health crisis, would her partner be to blame for her suicide? I would argue: no.

You're just an expendable cog to the money machine to techbros.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

This is sad and tragic but ultimately I don't think Mongo bares any responsibility here

Annie was on leave receiving intensive mental health treatment when MongoDB demanded her immediate return to work. She asked for an extension to complete her treatment, or at the least a short period to consult with her medical providers about whether and how she might be able to return to work before the treatment was completed. Instead, MongoDB terminated her health insurance and then fired her in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act and the New York State and City Human Rights Laws. Shortly afterward, Annie took her own life.

Yeah demanding she return to work is the part where they bare responsibility.

The frustrating part about being an American is tying work to healthcare.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 12 points 2 weeks ago

Work being tied to healthcare only makes sense if the entire country would work like a corporation.... Oh wait..

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago

And Mongo is now on the eternal shit list. As far as I’m concerned this is not merely abuse, it is premeditated murder.

[–] catarina@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 weeks ago

Heartbreaking. And revolting. All these companies nowadays bang on about mental health, and supporting diversity, all lip service, of course. But this is utterly despicable, I hope the company doesn't recover from this.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

>Capitalism doesn't kill people

They fooled us.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

At this point the AIs would be more humane managers anyway

[–] arin@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually, saying please would get the ai to change their earlier response

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Social murder

[–] plz1@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Man, I read this as the technology being blamed, vs. her being their employee. I hope her family gets justice for this, but companies seem to be immune from consequences, so we'll see...

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