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I'm way over the "this Trek is woke" stuff. All Trek is woke. Always was. And no one is forced to watch it.
The issue I've had with newer Treks is they just don't feel like Trek, but this is more about style and writing than anything.
I'm cautiously optimistic that Starfleet Academy being so far into the future will make me accept it more. Fewer opportunities to change canon, and lots more possibilities for novel storytelling. I don't want to see another Jim Kirk. I want new Trek.
All Trek is woke. Always was.
If anything, I'd argue it to have the reverse problem, where it's been gradually less progressive over time, since the network isn't as willing to take risks with the property, now it's a relatively safe cash cow.
Where's the Star Trek show that people threaten to pull off the air because it is at the social cutting edge?
Yeah this is a great point.
Also, Star Trek is owned by MAGA now. It's aimed directly at their most desirable and important recruiting demographic, so they are going to transition it to be a mouthpiece for the Conservative Propaganda Machine.
I'll agree that Star Trek at its best has always had a progressive stance that challenges societal expectations, but the problem with nuTrek (imo) is that the writing isn't challenging expectations reflecting society at large, or examining it's own biases, it's just performative and pandering. It doesn't seem to be written to encourage questioning as much as it appeals to nostalgia or engage in pleading the "right social perspective" that Hollywood happens to espouse that week. For God's sake Elon was one of the "innovators" used as an example in DISCO when SpaceX happened to be popular.
I think I agree with this. But in that sense, I'd factor it out as just more bad writing, since that's the common thread. The implication is that if the writing were better, people wouldn't complain about either the show or the wokeism, which seems plausible.
My issue is primarily the poor writing. SNW was the bright spot among the live action new shows, but it really feels like it’s nosediving in terms of writing quality.
I don’t expect new Trek to be the same as 90’s Trek, but it really feels like it’s written by writers who are not all that interested in Trek and just want to make a contemporary drama with a delta on it. Earlier series had a “period piece set in the future” vibe that I really miss.
Yes, I've felt similarly. I really enjoyed SNW when it first started, and now it feels like some weird soap opera with Spock half the time.
The Orville feels far more like Star Trek than any modern Star Trek, and it's strange, because Paramount could totally pull it off if they put the right people on the team.
And remember that every Trek series since TOS has seen a reaction claiming, "This ruins the franchise!" It takes time to make the mental journey from, "this is not what I wanted", to appreciating a new work on its own merits.
I get the complaints of lackluster writing in SNW S3, but also, you haven't seen truly bad media until you've watched either Twisters or Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, which makes Discovery season 2 seem downright straightforward and well-written by comparison.
It's not the best consolation, but it could go much worse. Also, I feel like if I had a choice, I'd take being strapped to a chair and forced to watch SNW season 3 looped 2.5 times over the same for TNG season 1.
I'm just happy to have another Star Trek show to watch. I'll at least give it a chance to prove itself before hating it.
Unless it does something egregious, I'll probably push myself through it no matter what for the sake of completionism.
Speaking of which, I need to do that for Disco's last couple seasons before I start the show.
I'll watch it because I love trek and even bad trek is more trek.
But I'm hopeful because Paul Giamatti is an amazing actor and a half klingon/half tellarite sounds amazing.
That's the thing about this one. They have set it so distant from existing Trek lore that the floodgates are open for actually interesting stuff to be added to canon. Every new Trek so far has ultimately been tied up with some existing canon stuff. It's like Star Wars never leaving the Skywalker era.
Hoping Starfleet Academy is more like the Acolyte then.
...I kid.
My biggest worry is what they do with the Klingons in the 31st century; they’re probably going to talk about how war-torn and poor Qo’Nos is or have the planet have gotten blow up or something dumb like that.
I’d love to have it so that either Qo’Nos surprisingly has had its crap together and managed to avoid brutal civil wars post-burn, with the result being in defiance of all expectations, it was one of the better planets to get stuck on after the Burn.
I hope that they do actually add something interesting.
One of the most disappointing things about the 31st century transition was that it felt like very little actually changed, other than a futuristic coat of paint.
Visuals aside, it seemed like all technological progress stopped about 500 years ago.
I'll watch it because I love trek and even bad trek is more trek.
That is just... Not a smart thing to do. Just mindlessly consuming stuff that's bad because it's part of a franchise you like leads to more bad media of that franchise being published. Be critical! Be brave enough to draw a line and keep it!
Meh, you do you. I'll watch what I want to watch and that is trek even if it's bad trek.
even bad trek is more trek.
What this attitude tells executives is "guess we don't need to bother trying to make Trek good, they'll eat up whatever we shovel their way."
I'm a big fan of Star Trek. That's why I haven't watched anything other than Lower Decks since Discovery started airing.
My viewing habits aren't scrutinized by them so I'm not too worried.
I subscribe to an Orion holorecording stream.
This guy is low-key the Gowron of the Orions. I kind of hope he shows up again in one of the two later seasons.
Not unless his cooking improves.
Would also like an update on Captain Angel's antics since her escape.
I want 10,000 Raising Arizona based memes by EOD Friday.
The best part about Trek fandom is how unserious people are “allowed” to be.
I won't watch it, because sadly I lost all hope in modern Trek ever getting good again, but I'll enjoy all of your memes.