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[–] djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone 109 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

or even just... what cops in the U.S. do to any minority.

Had a co-worker today try to be like "extra-legal executions just aren't American" and I was like "welllll we sure seem to love doing them, especially against anyone with a skin color other than white." Topic changed pretty quickly after that.

[–] h4x0r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Or detention centers, prison and jail conditions have been absolutely disgusting in the US since forever.

I agree, the detention centers are abhorrent, but prison rape has been used as a fucking joke since I've been alive, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. None of the jerk off politicians calling out these camps has done a fucking thing about the same shitty conditions that persist in their own districts to this very day.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

detention centers, prison and jail

Private ones are a gold mine with the government handing people over as slaves.

[–] ToTheGraveMyLove@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've got a folder on my computer documenting countless extra-legal executions by American law enforcement I could find. Videos, articles, documentaries, the whole shebang. Anyone shocked by this and saying it can't happen here is being wilfully ignorant at this point.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 54 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] voodooattack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thank you for the knowledge. I wasn’t aware this concept existed, but it explains a lot.

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[–] DirtyAnCom@discuss.online 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

My cousin was aNavy F16 pilot who got a medal for dropping the most bombs on Syria. I casually asked him what it felt like to be responsible for so much death and broken families and he looked at me like his brain was shorting out.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

Homeboy chooses not to think about it or what he's done, I don't think Id like your cousin simply for that alone.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to take away from your story, but the USN flies F18s and F35s, the F16s are all USAF.

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, I yelled about what we did in Iraq too. A lot of us did. Listen to Ashes of the Wake by Lamb of God.

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Unfortunately, you alone are not "most Americans".

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 10 points 1 week ago

For every person against their terrorists leaving the country, 1000 thanked them for their service and gave them a free haircut.

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[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fascism is colonialism turned inward

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Imperial boomerang.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Soldiers have way more trigger discipline than the gravy seals.

[–] starryoccultist@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The guy who shot Renee Good was a soldier...

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[–] resting_parrot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's what I was going to say. There are lots of problems with the military, and there are also clear use of force guidelines. I'm not saying those are never violated, but they at least have them and more training.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Jonathan Ross was a soldier before he joined ICE.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

I don't have one of those. I have an ex-marine friend, who I chastised when he originally signed up I remember I joked "If you die in combat I'm going to kill you." because he was basically my best friend at the time. He came from an extremely poor family.

He ended up (unwillingly) being assigned to being a MP, and ended up never shooting or bombing a soul. He was just agonizingly bored for hours and hours (He hoped for bar fights to break out just to fill the time). Hes now a union rep for a private security company and he hates all of his co-workers because he tells me they're almost all [redacted] racist assholes (hes half black).

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 week ago

I'd like to think that some of us vets are aware of that

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

The military is a social program.

They need the poors to fight their wars and work on their factory floors.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Easily proven true by endless apologia for US military members. When Russians do it, the are orc, when Americans do it, they were poor and needed healthcare.

[–] Tilgare@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It hadn't occurred to me before your comment - they don't want us to have Medicare For All because then the biggest and best benefit of going into military service would be available to every citizen. Or that's surely one of the MANY horrible reasons they continue to fuck us on healthcare.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The military pipeline shuts down when good pay, housing, healthcare, etc. are provided to the proletariat.

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Ask a black person that has grown up in the USA, ask how free they have felt before even all this. I had one break it down for me and it started the trek to changing my view of the USA as well as political positioning. We've always been like this from inception, just it's hitting close to home now the moderate is feeling the pain.

[–] baines@piefed.social 17 points 1 week ago

some of us grew up the children of natives and/or minorities

welcome to the party I guess

[–] BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (8 children)

uhh im pretty sure everyday they just sat around base bored as fuck and jerking off. real life isnt a call of duty game people 😂

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (6 children)

And yet more than a hundred thousand Afghani people died. I’m glad your trip was uneventful.

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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Sometimes they were so bored that they tortured and raped people. And made photos of it for others to enjoy

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[–] bryophile@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago

One person’s hero is another person’s war criminal

[–] compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Imperial boomerang is smacking the US right in the head

[–] robomuffin79@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

100% It’s about time Americans read Discourses on Colonialism by Aime Cesaire, and suddenly, everything will tragically make sense

[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes and no. American military personnel absolutely murdered innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Panama, Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Italy, Japan, ...

But not every one, not every day, not multiple times a day.

I know this sounds like "not all X are Y," and to some extent sure, but some mechanic or cook or logistics nerd who never touched a trigger after Basic isn't a murderer like the shit bag who killed Good or Pretti or the others is.

[–] just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago (3 children)

But they still supported the institution no? Hitler's cook can make the same claim

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 week ago

I don't have time to find the correct link to the project. For some stupid reason it wasn't on their main page. Excellent reporting on one of undoubtedly many cases of USA soldiers murdering people in Iraq:

https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/podcast-dark-examines-crime-went-unpunished

[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Grew up in a cult that refuses to do any military (JW), so at least one benefit I guess in that I was never brought up to venerate the military, or even any living person.

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[–] GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nice to finally see other Americans waking the fuck up and realizing that this is what we've been doing to the rest of the world since the fucking inception.

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[–] tamal3@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"The Universal Soldier," all about a soldier's responsibility in the continuation of war, is one of my favorite protest songs from the 60s (though I am more familiar with Donovan's version).

Maybe we can add some verses to this one?

... And he's fighting for the fascists...

The Universal Soldier

Buffy Sainte-Marie

He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years

He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an atheist, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you

And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way

And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls

But without him how would Hitler have condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on

He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.

[–] Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My nephew just signed up for the Marines cause he's not doing well financially and his gf is also in there. Dude skipped out on going to his grandmother's funeral so he could take the test to get in.

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[–] SlippiHUD@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

This is why I didnt join the airforce in 2006, I didnt want to be paid to murder poor people on the otherside of the world.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago

possibly the same person

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