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I came here to talk about the "Noble savage BS" myth. I wrote a college paper on it. Society always had a small fraction of psychopaths who didn't follow the laws of man. Society also knew to lock them up, or get rid of them.

Fun fact: the noble savage was originally counted by hateful racists, before it was repurposed by more "well meaning" racists.

Trump's trying to bring back the exile/deport for crimes thing at least.

One can do a deep dive in how American Native Peoples dealt with societal issues. Yes, there absolutely were all the same problems we have today, from theft to lazy people to “fame” issues. Look up “Shame the Meat” for example. There were also punishments, some severe.

So the idea that tribal societies had it all figured out is absurd. They were people too, and had problems like anyone else.

It is the "noble savage myth" if it is a quote from a leader in the Lakota nation? https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Fire_Lame_Deer

Dirty Dishes existed before dishwashers. Dirty dishes didn’t exist before Dishes.

If your society doesn’t have a concept of ownership. Then theft (atleast between members) doesn’t exist in the same way.

If your society doesn’t have a concept of law. Then “criminality” doesn’t exist either.

tbf, that post is noble savage bs.

that being said, the number one driver for crime is poverty, police don't fight poverty, they just protect the wealthy from the poor they are exploting.

With denser cities we have lost a sense of community, so we stop helping each other and problems become police or government issues, but neither of those replace a genourous family member or friend helping you through rough times.

Here's something to think about:

Why do we live in much larger and denser communities now?

For the majority of human existence we've lived in rural communities. What drove the urbanisation of rural populations?

During covid many places saw the reverse, ruralisation of urban populations. In an anarchist utopia that has removed capitalism, do you think people would stick with large dense urban environments or, like during covid, begin to ruralise again?

If you're unsure of what your opinion is on these questions. Somewhere to start could be looking at the Scottish Highland clearances, the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and the textile industry of the British Empire. All are major factors as to why Scotland urbanised. Most countries urbanised for similar reasons, but these examples are very well documented and very overt so make it more clear than many other places do.

Is it when a mummy horse and daddy horse love each other very much?

Lame Deer, J. F., & Erdoes, R. (1972). Lame Deer, seeker of visions: The life of a Sioux medicine man. Simon & Schuster.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Fire_Lame_Deer

Thanks for questioning!

A collective society for the benefit of all instaed of a few

Sure they had slaves and the typical patriarchal society where women were treated like property, but at least you never had to worry about leaving your tipi unlocked, those were the good old days.

Translated to English:

@Deceptichum What a load of rubbish! Native Americans were people like everyone else, they murdered, raped and slaughtered each other for status symbols or tribal affiliations. Capitalism didn't make things any better, but they were just as unholy as any other group of people anywhere else in the world!

Like most other people, they lived in authoritarian, patriarchal structures of violence!

Don’t shit on John Fire Lame Deer just because he challenges your understanding of how society can function.

No one is claiming they were perfect and lived in complete harmony with each other 100% of the time in a utopia. That’s a strawman you’re creating to resist listening to what is being said.

So did they