Fuck you Bobby.
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Why trust experts when you can just let Facebook tell you what to believe?
Just a little oregano oil and apple cider vinegar.
You forgot the essential oils.
Why do these people even use the hospital for birth if thry are going to fight their standard care? Stay home and no one will bug you about any shots, dumbasses.
They do stay home, rather than a doctor or nurses being seconds away, they'd rather have birth in their living rooms in a fucking blow up pool with a midwife. Who they trust more than literal doctors and nurses.
Aren't midwives, like, experts in childbirth tho?
There is no mandatory certification system for midwives. So you might get lucky and get a former emergency room nurse, or you might get unlucky and get someone who believes crystals will stop the bleeding or turn the baby around.
Wow that must be a US thing then, NHS in the UK definitely doesn't send unqualified midwives into the field!
Yep, it's kind of the wild west out there eh.
Yeah same in Aus, must be something we're to civilised to understand
To a point, but if there is a major complication like hemorrhage they call an ambulance and have thoughts and prayers no one dies on the way to hospital.
They just want someone else to clean up the mess.
These morons have been brainwashed to visualize life-saving immunizations as "scary unfeeling doctor man forced poison into my sweet innocent baby".
And they just eat it the fuck up.
The two major narratives I see on Lemmy about healthcare in the US.
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The medical companies are profit driven and untrustworthy
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People who don't trust the medical companies are frustratingly ignorant.
Of course the issues are complicated and woven with details and nuance, though I have to wonder if there isn't a reason why this happening beyond "They're brainwashed"
Of course, the next show to drop is health insurance refusing to pay out for costs that could have been prevented with vaccines.
You don't trust the companies. We're supposed to be able to trust the FDA and CDC
The FDA admin has had a revolving door with pharma for decades.
The #2 person at FDA was fired recently for soliciting bribes for approval. He approved many drugs. This has been a problem under Biden as well.
I know I'm the outsider here, but isn't there a long history of abuse even in the government health organisations?
Like full on medical experiments on US citizens without their knowledge?
On some level, yes. Most of the experiments were performed on socially vulnerable populations (racial minorities, the mentally ill, prisoners, etc). But for the average (white) citizen, this is a history lesson, not something that informs current behaviors. Additionally, much of that is tied to organizations like the military, which is usually seen as a different part of the government.
The FDA actually had a very good run of being relatively citizen-focused and making things safer. It's only somewhat recently they've fully pivoted to the "businesses are clients" model, so a lot of people haven't adapted.
Also, to your original point, my perception is that the lack of trust in the profit driven medical world is not that they can't help, but that they'll deny help if it costs too much. A common sentiment I hear is that the US has "the best healthcare in the world," and then complaints about how the insurance process bars access to it because of money.
Yes, there are people who believe things like "they've cured cancer but keep the cure hidden to make money off the treatments," but that's not the norm.
Someone with a Master's degree told me just the other day, "I feel like GP1s were just made to fix an illness they gave us" without acknowledging that the private processed food industry gave us that illness, not the medical community, which is who she was referencing. This belief is more and more common, that it's all a grand conspiracy to keep us sick so they can sell us more treatments, even folks in healthcare say that shit. It's depressing as hell.
The idea that goal was to get us sick is a canard. The likely reality is that its just that politically motivated subsidies and cultural shifts, with a healthy dose of capitalism, is what's the culprit.
Saying it's like a grand conspiracy would be kinda like saying early Americans' obsession with drinking whiskey was some sort of diabolical machination. Nah: people like getting fucked up. People like doritos. It's just dialing in what makes money on the short term.
But 10,000x yes: people can't discern who the "them" really is. They're not working together as much as you'd think. We're just all living under every evil motherfucker pulling in a similar direction.
Saying it’s like a grand conspiracy would be kinda like saying early Americans’ obsession with drinking whiskey was some sort of diabolical machination. Nah: people like getting fucked up.
The hilarious part is that alcoholic beverages and other mind-altering substances can be traced back to the dawn of humanity.
Like you said: Humans just really enjoy getting fucked up. On that line - I'm convinced "God" was a mushroom trip.
Vitamin k
My ex-MIL denied her kids this. It’s child abuse, pure and simple. Nice lady, but it’s child abuse. She should be overruled by the doctors. Insane we allow this to happen
Now imagine refusing perinatal antiretrovirals
Did the most progressive (science) birth ever. Always vaccinate all the vaccines.
But iirc vitamin k was the one thing they really encouraged the parents to decide for themselves
I was initially against vitK with my newborn, simply because I didn't want her to be messed with a bunch in her first 48hrs of life. The Dr explained I was going to drive home in Miami traffic, and it was safest to get the vitamin K to prevent excessive bleeding if we crashed,so I consented and she got the shot with me feeding her. Im very pro vaccine, and she has all her shots. The best solution is to find a dr you trust and trust their advice. As informed as I felt i was im neither a scientist nor a doctor. My feelings of not wanting her to be messed with are valid, but science > feelings.
Your feelings aren't valid, because modern diets don't necessarily have the complete array of components that we know we need, and the standard of care fills common gaps that we've found.
So unless you were getting your breast milk tested in advance to identify if your diet has filled these common gaps, no your daughter absolutely needed to be messed with to give her the strongest baseline for her development that we can give her.
Really, you know this, which is why you are enthusiastic about vaccines. You know that the negative side effects of vaccines are much more palatable than the negative effects of diseases.
"Messed with" is vague, emotionally charged, and doesn't describe the actual thing.
If you had feelings about the ethics of artificially filling a nutrient gap, those would actually be more valid even though when you put it in those terms it seems completely stupid.
So many children have been abused by conspiracy theory parents denying them life saving medical care. We need to push back against these anti-vaccine lunatics and educate the public.
As long as its Americans falling for this shit I think the rest of the world can live with some Darwin awards. All of this science and research and you kill yourself by refusing is allowed in my books. Remember were animals and we shouldn’t be saving people who don’t want to be saved.
Maybe they were all looking for the most evil and disgusting way to win a (late) darwin award.
In the end there are fewer of their genes in the big pool. If that what they want.. tragic, but can't force them.
oh my satan what a trump title. Seriously this is an old news item so I know what it is about but man it could not be more obfuscated. Its about vitamin k shots.
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