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I agree with almost all this list, but Building 7 pisses me off a bit
WhY dId BuIlDiNg 7 cOlLaPsE?
Because two of the tallest buildings in the world collapsed right next to it, causing structural damage that lead to it's collapse.
BuT iT lOoKs LiKe A DeMoLiTiOn.
What do you think structural failure is meant to look like? Do you think it's meant to look like Jenga bricks falling over? Like do you really think two of the largest buildings in the world collapsing next to a comparatively small building like that is going to do nothing?
The reason why you don't see surrounding buildings damaged when they're demolishing something like a British Tower-block is because they time the explosions precisely, shore up anything that might get damaged and evacuate the area. Do you really think the same thing would happen if two of the world's largest towers had their floors slam down on each other like a squeezebox, and then had the cores collapse right next to them? Do you, hand on heart, think a building right next to that happening, wouldn't suffer structural damage?
Wanna know something about 9/11? If the US government wanted to do a false flag, they wouldn't fucking bother doing some long winded scheme involving thermite or explosives or missiles disguised perfectly as planes that can be debunked by people who think Occam is a razor company. They would just like whatever of the 101 major terror plots that are being planned against the US that they know about happen. Why spend millions of dollars doing it yourself when you can just fucking let the guy in Afghanistan and his buddies that you have been watching for a decade and change do what they have been planning.
That, or, and this is something people might not consider, as cruel, power hungry, and sociopathic as the world's governments may be, they are also made up of people, some of those people fuck up, some of those people are morons. The idea that the everpresent They, (The Enby that controls the world) is hypercompetant and hyperintelegent is just something people believe to feel safer when they trust the government, and more powerful when they don't.
I agree, and feel similarly about the inclusion of operation Northwoods.
It's most prominently a horrifying plan that was rejected and remained classified, with the proposer being replaced shortly afterwards (it's entirely possible that's a coincidence).
Someone thinking of something horrible and then not doing it isn't evidence that they would do something similar. There's no particular reason to think they hid evidence because they admitted in the same deeply classified documents to doing far worse things.
I know, and you don't need to point to Operation Northwoods to "prove" anything because American Government officials have proposed much worse things and have done much worse things.
Like MacArthur proposed using nukes like conventional bombs to completely irradiate the Korean - Chinese Border. This would not merely kill Millions, perhaps billions, but it would cause a nuclear winter. For that, MacArthur was dismissed. That was a proposal.
What people forget is that MacArthur fired upon American World War One vets protesting to get their War bonuses because of the depression during the Bonus War. You don't need to make up conspiracies, what governments have already done/doing are bad enough.
For MacArthur, that plan, while horrific, wasn't as bad as you're painting it, if only because the bombs would have been much lower yield than modern nukes.
It would kill millions, especially if he used ground burst instead of air burst, but the actual global effect would be negligible. Cancer rates would spike in Northern Japan, but the fallout would mostly be over water.
Air burst would have even less effect, because there would be no fallout. (fallout is stuff from the ground that gets mixed with the radioactive material and free neutrons in a ground burst nuclear explosion, it's heavy so it falls out)
Still an insane plan and MacArthur was justly fired for it and a bunch of other similar insanity, I just wish the Dulles brothers had been similarly fired for the shit they pulled.
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Ghislane was invited on the 9/11 shadow commission so I'm throwing my favorite conspiracy in the ring: A handful of people at the CIA and Mossad piggybacked on an Al Qaeda operation and let it go forward to destory evidence of crimes, steal billions and create a justification for war all in one move.
No thermite needed and it doesn't particularly matter if the Pentagon was hit by a missile or not it plays the same. Epstein files prove the rogue elements in the CIA have been there for decades. Very little hands on work needed, mostly strategic fumbling.
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Also giant buildings are designed to withstand a huge amount of torque/moment. They act like sails in the wind and it's a catastrophe if they fall over. But additionally you really want to minimize sway so people at the top don't get seasick in their office/apartment. But then there's the destruction element of it. You want to do everything in your power to make sure that if a building you design to go in Manhattan of all places has to go down it goes directly down and not across the street into another building like a tragic line of dominoes.
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Multiple organizations within the US government received warnings about and had information on the 9/11 attacks like a month before hand, we knew it was going to happen and let it, that's a fact.
To be fair, I doubt that is what whoever made this had in mind but still it is a valid piece of evidence for not trusting the government.
It doesn't take controlled demolitions or fake planes with hidden missiles or anything convoluted like that, just money. I can't prove it, but I believe there are people in this world who cultivate extremism like it's agriculture, and for the right fee you can order up some extremist robots to do some extremist shit.
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The smart ones don't need wikipedia to know that authority should be distrusted.
You just need one bad teacher or school admin and you should be able to figure out why you should be skeptical of all authorities, including your parents. (They could poison your food or even stab you in your sleep... so, stay alert kids, stay on guard at night 👀)
(Okay that last part I'm just half-kidding... but your parents could technically do it and you have no defense against that... 👀)
It’s not just those things that happened. It’s that everyone involved should have been arrested and incarcerated but it didn’t happen.
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This is all American stuff. What about British, German, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese atrocities and coverups? God knows there are terrible secrets along them all.
Get you own post, whatabouter.
It's less whataboutism and more a comment on how you should be at least mildly distrustful of any government
Hell, just look back a bit for the shit done in the open.
I submit King Leopold the 2nd of Belgium. In Belgium he's known as "the builder king" because he spent so much of his own money to build parks and civic buildings and such.
Money that was acquired through what was described at the time as Crimes Against Humanity.
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Why do people always forget the Dutch. :(
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That is a rather short list.
just some highlights
Surely more regulations will fix this
it's absolutely true that government has been grossly misused and must never be thought of as perfect. we should constantly debate and iterate on our laws.
it is also true that it is one of the best possible forces to do good in the world: food security, healthcare. and i wish for its capacity to do good to be expanded.
Fair
PRISM
Don't forget about...
Agent Orange
Camp Lejeune
Vietnam Vets exposed to dirty medical equipment
Had neighbors and relatives that have been effected or died from all of these.
Government denied all wrong doing to all of these until private groups forced them to provide compensation.
Asking if you trust the government is a stupid loaded question. No one trusts the government. You don't trust a loaded gun, but it's the best tool to have in your hand if someone's trying to kill you. Government isn't something you trust, it's a tool that might be the best for some jobs.
I don't trust government because of the things I know my government has done.
If you don't trust your government, then perhaps instead of just saying "American problem", list the things you know your government has done.
I don't like the judicial system, I don't like the government system, I don't like the police, I don't like anything to do with this country's government. I just don't like it, because... they're sneaky, like I said - they're deceitful, they're lying, they're cheats, they rip the people off. That's the American government for you. America is a third world country, and people don't recognise it... and I think that that's pretty god damn sad, that they don't recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum
Godspeed fans will know
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Also the entirety of the last 30 years of us politics
I know why most of these are here but why JFK? Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing? The fake shit doesn't really need to be there when shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened and isn't just weird ideas pulled out of someone's ass.
Like the man himself or the whole assassination conspiracy theory thing?
Plenty of compelling evidence to believe Kennedy was murdered at the order of ex-CIA Director Allen Dulles. Even if you don't want to go all the way down that rabbit hole, though, there's even more evidence to suspect Kennedy's secret service fucked up on the job - both in the planning of the parade and in the initial response to gunfire. The "magic bullet" thesis has a number of much more believable counter-explanations, not the least being Kennedy's security detail firing blindly from inside the car and hitting the President by mistake.
Also, very deep CIA and mafia connections specifically running through New Orleans in the 1960s, such that letting Lee Harvey Oswald spill his guts would be bad for mission security, even if he had just been a lone gunman.
However you slice the Kennedy assassination, there's plenty of big blind spots in the story where speculation runs rampant. And those blind spots are almost certainly the result of embarrassed/implicated state officials involved in some level of cover-up.
shit like MK Ultra actually and provably happened
The downwind implications of MK Ultra get incredibly muddy. It's one thing to say "the US government was experimenting with psychedelics" and quite another to claim "The Manson Murders were orchestrated as a domestic terrorist event intended to crush the hippie movement in California and elect Ronald Reagan."
You could say the same about the Gulf of Tonkin. Was this an American Navy vessel crew that fucked up by accident? Or a deliberate false flag intended to bring the US into Vietnam?
Bohemian Grove is another one you can take extremely deep. It gets brought up alongside Comet Ping Pong Pizza in the "elites are eating babies to stay young forever" conspiracies.
Part of the problem with this list is that you can take any item on it and flip it like a coin to get "mundane rational accusations of impropriety" on one side and "wildly speculative deep lore of a fascist puppeteer regime controlling the country" on the other.
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