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[–] grumpusbumpus@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

Israel is also an aggressive, dishonest, genocidal ethnostate, supplied by the most overgrown military apparatus in human history.

Citizens in Israel and the U.S. have an obligation to change our governments and societies for the sake of the entire world. Until then, pearl-clutching over justified blowback deserves no sympathy.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 17 points 11 hours ago

Well, sucks to start a war without the necessary means.

[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 25 points 17 hours ago

This seems like the thing you check before you attack a world power so you can bully your neighbors and steal their homes, but what do I know?

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 38 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Americans are running low on jobs, food, money, health care, education, legal due process, civil rights, and now self respect. A lot of which is due to zionists effing everything up. I hope they have zero interceptors and have to pursue peace instead.

[–] MartianRecon@lemmus.org 24 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The amount of money that we have wasted at the behest of Israel is staggering. Trillions of dollars. Every single dollar stolen from our people, to advance the interests of an 'ally' who has literally attacked our soldiers.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

It's not wasted, it's USAs forward military base, and an invaluable attraction for religious fanatics.

We knew very well that the countries defined by the super powers after WWII would always be in conflict. They were designed that way purposefully, tribes were split apart and mortal enemies were mixed together very carefully to boost conflict.

Like the post office, this government service is costly. BUT it's only costly for the taxpayers, you see, it's fantastic business for the military industrial complex and their investors. Guess who provides loans to those same businesses?

It is a mystery, back to work

[–] perestroika@slrpnk.net 24 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I plead for journalists to actually inform themselves about the subject before they write.... :o

Israel has other ways to defend against Iranian missiles during the war, including via fighter jets, but the interceptors are among the most effective defensive weapons against long-range fire. Its Iron Dome missile defense system is designed to repel more short-range fire.

They speak of Iron Dome (short range, for slow rockets from inside the atmosphere) and THAAD (high altitude, for fast missiles re-entering from space) interchangeably. And they even mention fighter aircraft, which cannot do jack in either case.

The currently relevant scenarios:

  • Hezbollah shoots unguided rockets at Israel -> Iron Dome intercepts maybe 15% of them (if the trajectory looks dangerous enough), and this costs about 10 times as much as the whole rocket salvo.

  • Iran shoots an IRBM at Israel -> the IRBM splits up in space into cluster munitions -> Israel can intercept the MIRV bus (cluster munition housing), but it's empty at the time of getting intercepted. Not much point. And doing it would cost at least 10 times as much as the incoming missile did.

A missile defense system, in this case, cannot do jack either. For this type of attack, defense would have a point if one was expecting to get nuked, becuause a nuclear-armed reentry vehicle cannot be made arbitrarily small, and the cost of leaving it un-intercepted would be extremely tragic.

In case of these projectiles, which are conventional and unguided in their final stage, one has to simply absorb the hits. This is the cost of war. And try to find the other guy's launchers, and try to prevent them from producing more.

And I'm not shedding any tears for Israel in this case. It definitely sucks to be bombed with cluster munitions, but they started this round of fighting, killed most people who they might have negotiated with, and aren't even new to using forbidden kinds of weapons (e.g. cluster munitions made of white phosphorus).

[–] Mr_WorldlyWiseman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

fighter jets are used to intercept shaheds

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 3 points 9 hours ago

Shaheds are drones and not missiles though. That means they are much slower

[–] FarceOfWill 1 points 11 hours ago

On the face of it that makes the 10x costs for defence vs attack above look cheap

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 day ago

You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.

[–] middlemanSI@lemmy.world 83 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Are we supposed to feel sorry for them now?

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

I found the antisemite! /jk

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wow, they didn't stop to check that before starting a war? That seems ill advised.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they count on their vasal states to give them more

[–] lithiumground@lemmy.world 9 points 22 hours ago (3 children)
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[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

How many interceptors does Gaza or Lebanon have left?

Oh no the consequences of my actions!

[–] kittykillinit@lemy.lol 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's okay, Americans will buy more while their infrastructure crumbles.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As long as they don't have to give up anything basic for their people, like education, or Healthcare... wait...

[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 69 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well that's too bad.

Anyways.. Anyone have a suggestions what to have for dinner?

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Palestinians have amazing gastronomy. learn to cook some of their stuff. I make about 20kg of pittas and hummus every week for a mutual aid and costs me about 8$ per week. their food is amazing and cheap as fuck.

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[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Bagels, for dinner? Isn't bagel like a thing you eat with your afternoon coffee, like a donut? I'm fairly ignorant about bagels lol

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't let big bagel dictate when you eat them

[–] VoiHyvaLuojaMitaNyt@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I think I have never even seen a bagel. Big bagel is very inactive where I live.

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[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember, USA had to go in, because Israel was going to attack Iran nomatter what.

[–] jdnewmil@lemmy.ca 3 points 18 hours ago

Oh, right, right, right... that makes sense... right? right? or maybe it is just another truckload of fetid bullshit. now that makes more sense.

[–] Pofski@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago

So, basically attacking a country that has been preparing for this war for 20 years might turn out to bite them in the ass?

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago

And this will be used as nothing but an excuse to send Israel and arms manufacturers more money unfortunately.

[–] Greyghoster@aussie.zone 1 points 17 hours ago

A bit like the he planning that got the Straights of Hormuz closed and US allies in the ME bombed. Brilliant!

[–] Jackusflackus@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Oh don’t worry, the dumbass in the White House will give them more

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 13 points 1 day ago

For humanity to progress we're going to need people to learn the lesson that militaristic expansion will end your civilization.

[–] Zoldyck@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago
[–] baggins@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago
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