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Far right: We have all the guns! what are those pussies going to do?
Also Far right: cities are so dangerous I heard someone got shot there
MAGAts have been pissed they lost the first one. What did the North do? Nothing to prosecute. Then they got even more pissed when a black man was voted as President… twice. Fuck them!
If they start a civil war, the left will finish it because there is no longer acceptance of tolerating intolerance.
The American right has the same problem that the American South had.
Good luck with that, since we still have people bothsidering Republicans and Democrats to helpfully blunt any proper assignation of even the blame with the conservatives. There is a whole lotta "a pox on both their houses" kind of rhetoric. Often the online left helpfully joins in.
Not to mention a lot of the more vocal left calling everyone they don't like a "shitlib" and spending lots of energy on useful things like oppression olympics and lectures on stuff like intersectionality.
They, like their dear leader, massively overestimate their size and power, while underestimating their opponents’.
There's a number of historical and contemporary parallels to draw against what would probably happen which have already been said elsewhere. The common thread is that a large number of people will die over a number of years (but not as many as in a proper war) and not much will be accomplished by either side.
The Troubles, American edition.
Yup.
There won't be a front line or pitched battles like people are fantasizing about. Something will kick it off, maybe a riot, an assassination, or maybe an opposition leader gets life in prison or even executed on fabricated treason charges and people start shooting/bombing about it. Then there will be a round up of "terrorists" and probably some lynchings that go unpunished after all the current surveillance tech out there miraculously "fails", all followed by a protracted insurgency as a response to these acts.
I always picture the images out of Ireland where there’s some armed folks crouched behind a wall surveying down the street, plus some non-combatants walking home with their groceries. You’ll have a mix of people fighting for their political causes, criminal elements taking advantage of the chaos, and people settling personal scores under the cover of it all.
I really question the idea that if this breaks out in blue cities, particularly ones where the city is an island of a sea of red, how realistic it would be for blue city leaders to control their police departments. I’m in one of those cities, I have no doubt that while our mayor wouldn’t endorse violence, would try and mitigate police violence and get ignored. During our BLM protests we had heavily armed caravans of counter-protestors drive in from the boonies, across the state, and from out of state, probably 5:1 them vs us, including outlaw bikers and unabashed neo-Nazis/Aryan Nations. The cops stood with their backs to them and ignored multiple incidents of brandishing and death threats, even refused to press charges on the kid who popped a shot off into the ground to spook the crowd. Their sniper nests were line of site on the speakers, not the agitators. I don’t think anyone believes the cops are going to pick a side.
Pretty much, the main perps will be MAGAts as well. The middle is too gutless for violence and the left prosecuted heavier than the right.
It's worked for like a century
Robert Evan’s touched on this in their article: https://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2403-6-reasons-why-new-civil-war-possible-terrifying.html
It’s amazing how people on both sides of the aisle have their own fantasy of the civil war. “Oh, we’ll just drone strike the opposition. War done.” “The military will just curb stomp those gravy seals.”
The whole civil war is going to become My Community vs everyone vs the Government. It’s going to be messy, it’s going to be violent, and it’s going to be bloody.
He also did a podcast called It Could Happen Here outlining what he thinks it would look like, and it’s disturbingly close to what we’ve been seeing.
Edit: It’s still a bi-weekly news podcast, but the first episodes are still the original episodes, if I’m not mistaken.
He also co-produced the hit 1996 superhero film The Phantom, starring Billy Zane.
Anyone looking forward to neighbour killing neighbor, father's killing their sons, should ask Yugoslavia how well that went for them
If you manage to get yourself into a civil war, you've already lost
Trying to make sense of idiots makes you the idiot.
They'll be out on the field in serried ranks with their Tacticool clothes and assault rifles, wondering where the other side is. Then the drones will come.
If it does happen, and I hope it doesn't come to that, it's going to be asymmetric.
They just do this to try and keep us from talking about a class war
It is a class war as well. The far right do represent the power structure of the wealthy over the masses. They're in for that fight and just as much as the enemy as the billionaire class.
They often forget that plenty of left/liberal folks grew up with guns, and hunting.
Statistically not really. I’ve been part of liberal gun groups in the past and it was hard to get any traction. Many of the members were also extremely fuddy and mocked people for having “evil black rifles” rather than their preferred .38 cal revolver and 130 year old bolt action rifle.
Republicans own guns at nearly 3x the rate of Democrats, according to Pew, and only a portion of democrats would be considered “liberal” and even fewer leftist, while nearly all republicans would be considered conservative globally. I would wager a lot of money that the proportion is even more skewed if you were looking at just ARs and other types of guns that would be decently suited for combat rather than grandpappy’s hunting rifle or a rusty old revolver.
Having a lot of guns doesn't mean shit when you can only use one gun at a time.
If 25 people are fighting 33 people, but that 25 people have 75 guns and the 33 people have 33 guns, it's still an equitable fight.
The stats are on number of owners, not guns owned
My point is that people horde guns.
If you have 1 person who owns 25 guns and another who owns one. They are equal. Also, during an actual war, this would literally be a moot point as the state would be arming people.
Not really. The guy with 25 guns can arm 24 friends. The state would hardly be arming people, the military would be directly involved on one side or the other. A civil war between left and right would absolutely not work out well for the left.
24 friends who don't want to fight?
You don't think the liberal states wouldn't arm their on fighting groups if open civil war happened? Cmon now.
You’re making a baseless assumption that the 24 friends wouldn’t want to fight. Doesn’t own a gun yet doesn’t mean won’t join the fight. Liberal states won’t arm citizens, that’s inconsistent with their core principles. Besides that, they’d end up arming conservatives too because we’d just fake being liberal to get a free gun. Already take advantage of liberal gun buy”back” programs by forcing you idiots to buy pipeguns and shitty broken guns to fund our ammo budget 😂
Very liberal here and grew up in WV. Father was card carrying NRA. It was tradition in my family that you got a gun on your 10th birthday (a Ruger 10/22, not like an AR-15). We were taught very early about hunting, gun safety, and proper handling of a firearm. Don’t really own one right now … wife was very much against them with children in the house. She was never really exposed to them which is a large reason why. Although my step-son is also very liberal and a cop so there is that.
I’ve considered getting a firearm recently for lots of obvious reasons. Likely a handgun but I’d really like a long gun. I was pretty accurate when I was younger.
I imagine there are lots more like me than people realize.