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I actually don't know if this is the case all over China or just some parts, but I've seen it mentioned in a lot of places.

Salsa: https://satwcomic.com/manners-are-important

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[–] riskable@programming.dev 11 points 56 minutes ago* (last edited 55 minutes ago) (2 children)

American, here. I'm with them! Sort of...

Far too many American parents insist their kids use "please and thank you" for too many things. A classic example:

Kid: "Can you pass the butter?" (this is the natural state of American children... Probably all children, actually)

Parent, semi-scolding: "Can you please pass the butter!"

...or the worse, passive-aggressive form: "Please and thank you, (child)!"

I had this happen to me when I was a kid and my friends had it happen to them. I've witnessed it so many times—even as an adult—yet... It always felt wrong.

Normal people—equals in butter rights—don't communicate like that.

Adult: "Can you pass the butter?"

Adult nearest the butter: "Here..."

There's another, more efficient form that seems to be most common in the Northeastern US, especially with men: (just passes the butter without saying anything at all)

Truly efficient men—who may have never met before that moment—can communicate a butter request and reply to another man without even speaking. A look, with an upward nod and a follow-up downward nod from the guy closest to the butter is all these truly efficient communicators need.

The most efficient families—when it's only adults present, performing their secret, adults-only rituals—tend to shorten it to the tiniest of requests, "Butter?" (points at butter)

Excessive politeness always feels fake and rotten to me. "Please"—from children—should be reserved for actual begging, damnit! With wide eyes and maybe some tears! Anything less feels like bad acting or an unnecessary, inauthentic ritual.

Politeness shouldn't be ritual! It should be something you do because you're paying attention and you're genuinely invested in the concept of feeling sorry about inconveniencing another person with your request. If there's no inconvenience—such as passing the butter—what's the point?

Please and thank you for reading my rant.

[–] Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world 4 points 29 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

I'm down for politeness, and teaching politeness. But the thing about these situations that bugs me is when the parents insist on teaching politeness, but they don't practice it themselves.

Does the parent say, "Please hand me your dishes," or "Please come into the living room"? If they use polite language regularly, then it'd make sense for them to instill polite manners in other mundane situations. If the parents model the behavior they want, they extend respect to the kids, and as such it's fair to request the same behavior in response.

But too many people, including many parents, skip over that "model the behavior they want" part. Saying please/thank you/etc. becomes a rule applied to the kids, but not to the adults. Of course a kid's going to be resentful about that.

I teach small kids, I use please and thank you with them all the time. I then praise them for independently using such words. I see it as a show of my respect for them, and they pick up on that. I may be in charge, but as far as I see it, we are equals. I learned the value of politeness through trauma, but I'd rather these kids learn about it by experiencing the pro-social benefits that it comes with.

Politeness isn't a problem, but making it a one-way street absolutely is.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 51 minutes ago

You forgot the:

Kid: can you pass the butter?

Adult: I don't know. Can I?

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 9 points 2 hours ago

Wow, long time since I have seen a Scandinavia and the World comic!

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 24 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That sounds complicated if you aren't sure how close you are yet

[–] MakingWork@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

And for favours. Do you ask or demand a favour?

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 hours ago

How would this scene be received?