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Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, dismissed Trump’s comments in a statement, saying, “The Wall Street Journal should learn to take a joke, however, the President’s pardon power is absolute.”
It’s just a joke, bro! Unless…
Y'all are the actual government of an entire country. You shouldn't be making fucking jokes in the first place especially when it pertains to the law. And if this was a joke, it's not even a very good one.
The Donvict operates this way, testing the waters to see how far he can go and see what might stick.
my kid reverts to "im just joking" when they know they fucked up, and they are 8. is the potus an 8yo?
Trump has no sense of humor, he doesn't know how to joke
It's not like he's blanket pardoned over a thousand hard criminals that attacked federal officers and property or anything. I'm sure this is nothing.
When you start pardoning everyone... When you start operating so much outside of the law that this becomes SOP....
...You gotta stop and really question if what you're doing is actually right or not.
And this guy is the PRESIDENT? Damn man. For shame.
I know the US has had an extremely troubled history and is constantly making costly ethical mistakes. But... This is just like... An exceptionally dark time for the USA. And that's saying something.
Like, for real. What's the exit plan here? What's the actual outcome of this gonna be? How bad is this gonna get? And how do we, as people, overcome this?
All black pills and cynicism aside, this has got to stop, and the only way it's going to, is with leadership with power. What type of leader is going to be the spearhead for the step forwards?
Biden already set precedent by pardoning his entire administration to prevent malicious prosecutions from this one. Motivation may have been different, but that doesn't really change that he just promised to do the same thing Biden did.
Trump weaponised the DOJ. Trump is a war criminal. Trump would pardon his illegal deeds regardless if Biden used that power, however, the former president had to pardon unless continuous prosecution seems like a fun everyday activity.
Trump will say he does what Biden did, but he is a living sack of human garbage so his comments mean nothing. By that logic Biden could've removed democracy too, as Trump started his first term.
The response to this needs to be a resounding, "LOL, no," from whatever administration comes next. The constitution gives the President the power of the pardon? Well, if gives Congress power of the purse, but we let him ignore that. The Supreme Court will intercede? One of them is married to a J6er, another one is openly taking bribes, and ar least three of them committed perjury when they told Congress said they wouldn't overturn precedent. Our country can't continue without accountability.
I guess a future president could fix it with more pardons. Make a list of people who if they receive mob justice from, the mob are instant pardoned. Might at least get the SC to rein in pardon power.
Because for me it's not really about the people in the administration. Yeah, they suck and should be sent to the Hague. But there have been so many people that have bought pardons from the administration and they are the worst of the worst. Talking people who robbed and killed the elderly, some of the biggest con men and fraudsters. So damn many, they don't even ever make the news.
I've been thinking about this a lot, but the problem is that the President can only pardon federal crimes, so if a mob drags Steven Miller from his house in California and kills him, the President can't do anything to intervene. However, I'm pretty sure that the President could pardon crimes committed in D.C., and the Supreme Court has basically said the President can't be held accountable for crimes committed in office, so in theory, a future President could order agents to take Miller into custody, bring him to D.C., and execute him. He could then pardon everyone involved and no one could be held accountable.
Considering that the SC has basically given the President king powers, the president could make an executive order that any place that domiciles those people on that list is considered federal property while they are there. The current admin has argued more absurd things then that in court already.
He could do something really funny and have a heart attack before pardoning anyone.
You had me at heart attack
They would have a weekend at Bernie's before they would let the public know.
That's quite literally not a way out for these traitors. That will just give the individual states easily winnable cases against anyone that accepts a pardon.
If the non-fascists take back Congress, we can change the current laws & simply extradite the rest of them to the Hague. And we've now seen how fast the federal government can move when it wants to.
At the very least, these traitors are going to be fighting civil lawsuits until they die.
If the non-fascists take back Congress.
Big "if" right there...
yeah agreed. I keep circling around the fact that our government is completely captured across every branch and party, and the interests that have it captured care nothing about Americans, or are hostile and just using us. The 2 political parties dictate the outcome for primaries, so they will never let an honest actor win a national primary unless a secret-decent person manages to sneak through their net, which seems unlikely given the grooming process politicians need to go through before they get any real power. Mamdani won because mayoral races arent as hard to enter and get funded as federal races are. But he did it despite the dems massive efforts to backstab his campaign into oblivion. Can that scale nationally? Seems hard to beleive. Bernie's candidacy and the outcome of his suing the DNC showed us that they can hand pick whoever they want at any time and the primary system is not legally binding, and need not be fair or impartial. Its not really an election.. Only the general election is.
https://observer.com/2017/05/dnc-lawsuit-presidential-primaries-bernie-sanders-supporters/
So whats inevitable now : Social programs and free speech/protests will inevitably be removed. I cant see a midterm win by dems leading to a turnaround in our national descent into fascism. Its really just a matter of time until some sort of revolution happens, and the centrists are just playing for time in an utterly doomed system. We're in a dead zombie democracy that was a watered down version of democracy even when it was alive.
There is a pretty significant chance that Trump won't keep his word.
And that's if he doesn't just die before he has a chance to.
Generally speaking, you want to pardon your Capos because you don't want them ratting on you.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
Hows that Iran situation going? Oh, he declaired absolute victory? How very odd, and also factually untrue.
And citizens are supposed to pay taxes to support these criminals?
I guess if they do they feel represented by them, isn't that their whole thing?
Promises like his tax returns, the Epstein Files, payments to contractors, payments to rally organizers, that kind of a promise? Or the promises to stay faithful to his 3 wives, of which he cheated on the prior one with the future one.
Thwump has never understood the definition of the word "promise".
Its the same vibe as that one kid in school saying "swear on my life on my LIFE that means if Im lying ill actually die i swear on my MOMS LIFE too im super serious"
Openly manipulating markets and now betting sites for personal gain. They have already embezzled billions. Crypto scams up the wazzo.
The grift knows no end.
I’d love it if the media would stop reporting that Trump doing the worst fucking thing imaginable is a “bombshell.”
But this is a bombshell, though? Would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Every single day would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
How is this a "bombshell"? Like really? Was this not assumed? Hell we don't even know if this shit is technically illegal, immoral yes completely.
It’s almost like they’re criminals or something.
So what. He promises a lot of things he doesn't deliver. Staffers know that best of anyone.
How do pardons work on war crimes?
Trump has previously pardoned at least one guy convicted of warcrimes in US courts. So I assume pardons work just fine, for that purpose.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/27/eddie-gallagher-trump-navy-seal-iraq
He will pardon anyone whose useful to him, regardless of the crimes. I'm exhausted trying to get people to understand just how destructive and dangerous it is for him to be in power. None of it matters. He's gonna get away with it all because too many people believe, for no good fucking reason, that something will stop him so the don't have to act.
You know, you always have the power to void any pardons from Trump (create a new law). But that would require you lot to grow some balls which I don't see happening.
Why do they need assurances that they'd get pardons?
This is the guy that claimed anyone taking the Fifth was guilty, now promising pardons?
Ok hold, that's fine let him do that. Now what the next president should do just assassinate them and then pardon the assassins. Since it seems that we can do whatever the fuck we want with the pardons now.