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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

It's a good thing Europa has moved past all that fractious border shenanigans

[–] FundMECFS@piefed.zip 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

“Unification” = Prussian dominance through conquering, alliances, and coercion.

I find the standard historical descriptor “unification” to be statist embellishing and give the false idea that this was somehow grassroots.

Welcome to reality. It's war. And diplomacy. Which is war with different means.

Why would anybody give up power if they didn't have to?

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago

I find the standard historical descriptor “unification” to be statist embellishing and give the false idea that this was somehow grassroots.

"War is politics through other means", and all that jazz. German unification movements were widespread and a key component of Prussia's success was leveraging that grassroots enthusiasm towards a unified German nation to assist them, by portraying themselves as the most likely to be able to achieve it.

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Maybe people of the future will watch our Europe chart and wonder how United Europe ever managed to unite.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 80 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Explanation: In the Medieval and Early Modern period, the area we now know as Germany was home to a... staggering variety of independent polities.

... it would take quite some time for them all to be sorted out and put under one flag.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 64 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Fighting the French did help a lot

[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 54 points 2 days ago

Hatred of the French brings people together.

[–] MajorMajormajormajor@lemmy.ca 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interacting with France is the gateway drug to country-hood.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 days ago

Nothing quite like the mutual desire to not be french for making friends.

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Acshually briefly being governed by a certain french gentleman helped a lot more.

[–] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

You're right. Bonaparte is the common factor of every European country's journey to unification, except the UK of course

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[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 38 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why didn't Bohemia, the largest polity, not simply eat the other polities?

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago

too busying creating the RHAPSODY?

[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

The smaller polities can ally.

Also, a single small polity can be relatively powerful based on its wealth and population density. It can also have local defensive advantages.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 8 points 1 day ago

We ate Moravia, the second largest, so there's that.

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Ostwald wasn't born yet

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[–] Airfried@piefed.social 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Napoleon. Yes, it's a little oversimplified but that man really shaped Europe and Germany with it.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Napoleon the third to be specific. Bismarck helped. A little bit.

"France, under Emperor Napoleon III, viewed Prussia’s growing power with suspicion and sought to curb its influence.

The immediate catalyst for the Franco-Prussian War was the Ems Dispatch, a diplomatic communication edited by Bismarck to provoke French ire. The altered message made it seem as though the Prussian King Wilhelm I had insulted the French ambassador, leading to public outrage in France and a declaration of war on July 19, 1870."

"The Franco-Prussian War had profound consequences for both France and Germany, as well as for the broader European political landscape.

The most significant outcome of the war was the unification of Germany. On January 18, 1871, in the Hall of Mirrors at the Palace of Versailles, King Wilhelm I of Prussia was proclaimed Emperor of the German Empire. This unification shifted the balance of power in Europe, establishing Germany as a major continental power."

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

I recall that the crowning of Wilhelm was preceded by quite a discussion of whether he'd be called "Emperor of Germany" or "German Emperor"

[–] friendlymessage@feddit.org 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

That's not what OP meant. Napoleon I occupied the German states and brought a lot of reforms including the abolition of feudalism, legal reforms, and administrative efficiency including centralized state governments. He completely reshaped German state borders. As an example, this article (in German) explains how 250 independent territories were merged into 3 territories (which nowadays are one state).

map of the 250 territories being merged

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which ironically kinda makes him a founding father in a weird way.

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

France already knows that Germany likes to take French rulers and claim them as founders of Germany. See: Charlemagne.

I remember a period caricature from my school history book which featured a merchant with an ox cart being stopped and searched at 3 or 4 border crossings at the same time.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

###Electorate of Cologne represent! 1000146696

(*throws another archbishop to the curb*)

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Großherzogtum Baden FTW

I‘m gonna take a bath in Baden-Baden now.

[–] Zwiebel@feddit.org 18 points 1 day ago

You know you done fucked up when your city gets attacked and your citizens run out to join the attacking army

[–] SuperPengato@scribe.disroot.org 26 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Well, countries are all more or less delusions, yet made more or less real by the authority of states.

The real delusion in this story is that German is a language. From what I've heard, take three Germans from different regions, all speaking their mother tongue and they'll have just as much trouble understanding each other as three Spaniards from diverse parts of Spain†. But while the Spaniards will be well aware that one of them is speaking Galician, one Castellan and another Catalonian, each German is convinced that he's speaking German and that the others are speaking German in a weird way. Spaniards will likely speak Castellan, if not as their first then as their second language. Germans will all be familiar with a standard German but not really identify it as a distinct language from their own. Same story in Italy.

†: Assuming none of the Spaniards in the example are Basque.

[–] bmpvy@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

germany has about 4-5 truly difficult dialects I'd say. (being an native speaker) I could understand every dialect after being immersed for a couple of hours except for bavarian tho 😅

there are a lot more local accents and dialects but Sächsisch, Pfälzerisch & Bayrisch are the ones that are really difficult to understand even for german natives from other areas. Hessisch partially as well. These are all bound to their local areas.

I'm speaking Hochdeutsch ("plain german" which should be the german y'all are learning in school) but there is also Plattdeutsch (spoken mostly in the north) which is it's own language that is on it's way to extinction.

[–] bort@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

ich bin mir auch ziemlich sicher, dass du kein platt oder allemannisch (aka "schweizerisch") verstehst. Und ich behaupte mal, heute haben wir sehr viel weniger deutsche dialekte als noch vor 200 jahren.

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

& er hat noch nie nen Schwaben getroffen? Wenn er mit Hessisch schon Probleme hat?

[–] bmpvy@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

haha hab ich wirklich noch nie und sorry falls du dich angegriffen gefühlt hast, mein einer Opa sprach hessisch mit polnischem Akzent und hat genuschelt, die Einschätzung beruht entsprechend auf persönlichen Erfahrungen (mit wenig Kontakt, hab den vielleicht 3x gesehen) 😆

[–] bmpvy@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

Platt versteh ich tatsächlich zu nem gewissen Grad weil Verwandtschaft ausm hohen Norden. Allemannisch bzw Schweizerisch ist n deutscher Dialekt oder ne eigene Sprache? Ich kenn nur Schweizer-Deutsch als Begriff

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[–] Barley_Man@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 day ago

Many german dialects are as you say, sometimes unintelligible with each other. However they are of the type where if you spend 1-2 weeks immersed in it you will very quickly start to understand it. Same thing happens in English. I heard an anecdote of someone who watched the Scottish series "Lemmy's show" for the first time and could barely understand anything they were saying. But as they reached the end of the first season they had very little trouble. Intrigued I did the same and had the same experience (great show btw).

I'm not native speaker of German but I had such an experience. I learnt standard German in school as a foreign language. Last year I visited the Austrian family of my partner. The first day I could barely understand anything they were saying but after 2 weeks I could comprehend most of it. So where do we really draw the lines of a language? If you can comprehend it with less than one week of training is it really a language? I would say no. If yes then I would say some English dialects ought to be classified as languages (as I know some do, calling it the scots language).

[–] hessenjunge@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It comes down to language structure and how similar they are. For example it’s easier for me to understand Dutch than Danish. Luxembourgish (recently recognized as separate language) to me is rural Hessian with some random French words thrown in - again easier than Dutch to me. For the German dialects you can use the same writing and it should be understood throughout Germany, Austria and most of Switzerland. Except for regionally used words like e.g. “leiwand” (Viennese for good/perfect). Another exception is if the writer is from Cologne - nobody understands their language.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

The Italians did it, it looked like fun.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 day ago

Every country around them kept lumping them together as 'those fuckers in the trees.' Couldn't even agree on a name for them.

[–] lath@piefed.social 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy Roman Empire, which was neither holy, roman or an empire(sort of).

[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At some point it included Rome, so at least that part is kind of true.

[–] lumpyluggage@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

And it was also an empire

[–] Darkard@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

*Zooms in a Prague to see if I can see any KCD2 locations *

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[–] The_Lurker@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"By blood and iron." I understand Bismarck after seeing that picture.

[–] PugJesus@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

At the least, one understands the desperation of 19th century German nationalists in general. Border gore aside, imagine the tariffs and border controls one must go through for a simple day trip!

The previous emperor had rejected the 1848 attempt at unification from the Frankfurt National Assembly even though it planned on making him emperor of the Germans, because it was too progressive and he didn't have enough control over it, so I'm not 100% sure blood and steel was the only option.

sassage + musturd

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