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[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 370 points 2 years ago (13 children)

These tech companies have underestimated their utility. They are mostly providing mindless time wasters. If you try to charge money or create inconvenience, people will look for something else to do.

Their attention is your lifeblood, and you’re actively giving them reasons to look elsewhere. The VC grow-at-all-costs business model is fundamentally flawed. It doesn’t scale when profitability becomes a priority.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 171 points 2 years ago

i think you mean "overestimated"

[–] Supervisor194@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children)

Their attention is your lifeblood, and you’re actively giving them reasons to look elsewhere.

👍

My attention is all the currency YouTube will ever get from me - and it should be enough. If I post videos to YouTube (for nothing in return) and I talk to people about videos I saw on YouTube or link them to videos - then I am a net gain for Google and they should treat me as such. If anything, they should be working (nicely) to try to get me to want to pay (or view ads) and just be thankful I'm there if I don't pay (or view ads). Instead they've chosen to work at ensuring everyone is so goddamn pissed off at their bullshit that they'd rather make it their full-time job to never give them another dime. Good job, Google! Smart!

Edit: Oh look, half a dozen lectures about how Google has to make money somehow. Hi there YouTube shills, I thought I would see you here.

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[–] mojo@lemm.ee 220 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are no better adblockers, uBlock Origin is all you need and is already updated to bypass it.

[–] calcopiritus@lemmy.world 104 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unlock origin is the adblocker that people are installing. There are a lot of people with shitty adblockers out there, I guess they are switching.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I bet all those people with shitty adblockers are also probably googling better ad/YT compatible blockers lmaoo

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[–] ohlaph@lemmy.world 177 points 2 years ago (14 children)

After YouTube started filling their search results with mostly shorts, I stopped using it for new stuff. It's terrible now.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Yeah youtubes attempt at being tiktok is just awful and they don't even have options to not have shorts show up in the feed. On top of shorts just being inferior versions of regular videos without functional controls

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 78 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This is what gets me. Wanna show me shorts? Ok. But why the fuck am I not allowed to rewind a couple of seconds if I want to? It's an artificial, completely useless limitation that had no place in 2023.

So, no thanks.

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[–] Whirling_Cloudburst@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I started blocking those from appearing when they first showed up. There are a number of ways to do it. The Blocktube extension is one.

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[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I switched to FreeTube and now all the shorts are on a separate page I can switch over to if I feel like watching them. It's also got SponsorBlock built in. Now I can enjoy youtube with a clean, faster interface and google isn't tracking a damn thing. All because google got greedy and made their user experience shit.

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[–] Zacryon@feddit.de 143 points 2 years ago (10 children)

There’s also the option of biting the bullet and paying for YouTube Premium.

No. Never. I'd rather stop using YT at all than giving in to coerced user-tracking.

[–] NoRodent@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I mean, I might have considered paying for YT premium if I thought it offered some value (other than disabling ads) but I won't sure as hell pay for anything that any company is trying to blackmail me into.

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[–] Tygr@lemmy.world 141 points 2 years ago (28 children)

Didn’t know about SponsorBlock until all this started. So many just found out ad blocking is possible.

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[–] Moobythegoldensock@lemm.ee 121 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I love that all the centralized social media networks are scrambling to become shitty for profits right around the time users are realizing that they don’t need centralized servers to host their user-generated content. Users can take their content wherever they want and let these platforms die.

[–] nicoweio@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'm not sure if we manage to do the same for video though; hosting these costs a lot more.

[–] Muffi@programming.dev 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Maybe we don't need 4K 60FPS video to show Mr. Beast giving away more crap. Just because we can up the quality, doesn't mean we should. Or maybe client-side real-time AI upscaling will make this a non-issue.

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[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

This 100%. Look at forums. Back in the early days, there were lots of little independent forums. Sites like Reddit took over because you could easily keep your identity across multiple forums and see the content from all your communities on one page. We gained convenience, but didn't think too hard about what we were losing or who we were losing it to. Then along came enshittification and we are collectively realizing what we lost. Federation is of course the solution. As I see it, the only missing piece is monetization. Platforms like YouTube make it easy to monetize page views, Twitter / X is doing the same. That's much harder in the fediverse.

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[–] TheTimeKnife@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Youtube is a perfect example of why ad blockers exist. They use ridiculous ad volumes and spy on their users for data to sell.

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[–] fne8w2ah@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I love that, in a competition between a corporation worth hundreds of billions of dollars and a FOSS project, all Google managed to do was annoy uBlock Origin users for like a week. I just had to manually update the extension and restart my browser a few times.

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[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 81 points 2 years ago (9 children)

And they increased the fucking price for YouTube premium.

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[–] r3df0x@7.62x54r.ru 78 points 2 years ago

Ublock Origin works

Brave is ass

[–] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

Meanwhile, Youtube engineers and uBlock Origin volunteers are in a war of attrition, updating both the website (youtube, to block ublock) and uBlock Origin (the ad blocker, to unblock the ublock blocker) multiple times a day every day

[–] grue@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago

I feel like uBlock Origin has been coming out ahead more often than not. I haven't had to manually refresh my lists for the last few days.

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[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 69 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Switched finally to ff. So I guess thank you google.

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[–] disconnectikacio@lemmy.world 64 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Spread the word to install firefox based browser, use different frontends to block youtube ads in browser, Invidious and use piped youtube apps on android to block youtbe ads: Newpipe

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[–] silencioso@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago (17 children)

NewPipe in my mobile and FreeTube in my desktop. Fuck you Google

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[–] maquise@ttrpg.network 43 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Just this morning all the posts (here on Lemmy) were about how everyone was uninstalling their adblockers.

[–] ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world 56 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why the fuck would anyone uninstall their ad blocker just because one site demands it? Whitelists exist for a reason.

[–] smokingManhole@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'll stop using Internet before I even consider whitelisting YouTube.

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[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That article was full of such blatantly misleading crap. Headline talks about record number of adblocker uninstalls, but the actual data says it was an uptick in both installs and uninstalls. In other words it was people cycling through different adblockers trying to find one that still worked.

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[–] Pons_Aelius@kbin.social 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

And that didn't mention ublock origion, the blocker that still works...

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Not everybody is.

That's the thing, even if 95% of users currently using ad blockers block ads anyway or leave the service, YouTube still wins big.

They aren't worried at all about alienating users from which they can't extract ad revenue. Those on the margin that turn off ad blockers or subscribe to a paid plan are the target, not everyone else.

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[–] trslim@pawb.social 35 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I dont even mind ads when its like one minute for 20 minutes of footage. Pluto TV is free to use and has commercial breaks but they never really bother me because they aren't that annoying and i get a lot of MST3K before I watch them. Youtube ad are cancer in comparison.

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[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago

who could have seen this coming

[–] yuunikki@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] sagrotan@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I don't know what the whole fuzz was / is about, it's years now that I unwillingly watched ads, anywhere. So easy, piehole, newpipe, avoid any Microsoft shit, you just have to be ready to learn a bit, it's not rocket science. Ok, rocket science helped, but that's not the point...

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[–] dasgoat@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago

The race is on. Bitch.

[–] mystic@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

reminds me of how bugs develop into superbugs after building resistance to antibiotics

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[–] kamen@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (3 children)

What happened to the idea of small, non-intrusive banner ads? Of course it's not realistic to expect those on YouTube and they bring much less revenue compared to in-your-face video interstitials per impression, but I'm much more likely to whitelist those.

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[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

I will never submit.

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