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[–] atmur@lemmy.world 116 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children)
[–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 32 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Torx is only good if your screw is non rusting it rounds off too fast with almost any sign of rust.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 31 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Torx kinda requires it be made of a decent alloy, it was developed to handle situations where you really really need torque. Handling more force than anything else was the guiding principle of its design.

Hence you find it in places such as bicycle disc brake rotor mounts.

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[–] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Hex should be B teir. Pozi should be C, it's very common in the UK for low torque applications. But it looks deceptively similar to Phillips.

[–] evranch@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hex could even be A tier except...

  • 10 million metric sizes
  • 10 million imperial sizes
  • heads get full of rust or dirt
  • note that this makes it even harder to tell which damn size they are
  • usually mild steel so they strip, especially when it turns out you're using imperial in metric and vice versa

Too many years of wrenching on old equipment has soured me on all except for the good old fashioned hex bolt (S tier) and Robertson (A tier).

Even slotted beats most of these if the steel is decent, scrape out the rust and whack it with an impact screwdriver. I've turned many torx and hex in particular into slotted over the years.

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[–] atmur@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I could be talked into bumping Hex up to B, I just want it between Phillips and Robertson.

I don't have any experience with Pozi screws in the US, but doing a quick search they look like a solid upgrade over Phillips, so I'm guessing I would agree if I actually used them.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like you didn't give enough credit to slotted and combo (& hex but others have said that). Being able to be removed with a quarter or other coin is incredibly useful in applications where access to screwdrivers isn't a given.

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah, combo is where it's at in terms of field serviceability. I pretty much always have a flathead on hand, but very rarely have a torx but set, Allen key, or Robertson close at hand if I'm in the field.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I prefer flat over Philips imo, phillips very easy to strip

[–] meekah@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

any screw is a flathead screw if you have a dremel

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[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 2 years ago

I'm a technician and keep my 9 most-used screwdriver bits in its handle and all of these are usually fine for most applications... Except the slotted screw! I literally get annoyed every single time I have to use one, it always slips out and it's significantly slower to screw/unscrew anything. Also, I only want to carry one, but if I use one wide enough to minimize slipping, it's usually too thick to fit in the slot! "Screw" you, flathead screws and the $0.0001 you save with each one...

Here's what I use most often (not necessarily in order):

  • big Phillips
  • small Phillips
  • T25 Torx
  • T20 Torx
  • T15 Torx
  • T10 Torx
  • big security hex (hole in the middle)
  • small security hex (hole in the middle)
  • slot flathead
[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Robertson Square that high up? This list must have a few loose screws.

[–] atmur@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I've used them very rarely, but I've never had one strip unlike everything beneath it so I can't complain.

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[–] variants_of_concern@lemmy.one 103 points 2 years ago (12 children)
[–] atmur@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is correct, Torx is easily the best standard. Robertson is an acceptable second.

[–] Salvo@aussie.zone 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Posidriv can bugger off too.

When you look at a Robertson, or a JIS or even a Phillips you just use a JIS or Robertson and you’re fine. If it is posidriv, you must use posidriv and you can’t use posidriv with a conventional Robertson/Phillips/JIS. The only way you can tell the difference is by a teeny-tiny little dot on the screwhead or some extra minuscule fins on the driver. If you do t have your glasses, or aren’t aware, you will damage the screw and your driver.

Hex and Torx are OK for certain things where you don’t want an ignorant pleb to gain access. Security Hex and Security Torx are OK where you don’t want an ignorant pleb in denial of their ignorance to gain access.

All those other drivers, Triwing, Pentalobe, variants of Posidriv are just there to push proprietary applications and should not be used by anyone.

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[–] UntouchedWagons@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

Robertson is top tier too

[–] BlackAura@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

As someone who owned a Jeep in a place where they salt the roads in the winter. Fuck torx.

That being said no other screw head would have been any better, and maybe it was just a cheap torx socket (you could see I had actually twisted the whole head on the tool, before stripping the screw). A hex bolt for that particular application would have been much easier to remove (or snap the head off :p)

[–] Fermion@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Applications exposed to corosion really should use external drive fasteners.

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[–] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 81 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Me out here calling them “plus head” and “minus head” like a neanderthal

[–] isolatedscotch@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

we call philips "cross" and flathead "slit"

[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

'cross-head' and 'flat-head' for me

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[–] TonyToniToneOfficial@lemmy.ml 66 points 2 years ago (6 children)

omg I've found my people, you all have strong opinions on screw driver geometry

[–] nezbyte@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Might I recommend a book on the matter.

One Good Turn: A Natural History of the Screwdriver and the Screw by Witold Rybczynski

[–] casmael@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Hey cool my grandfather was named witold. Probably had some strong opinions on screwdrivers too tbh.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 53 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I fucking hate Phillips style so much.

Never tried JIS though, Robertson is where it's at.

[–] PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Do you have a moment to talk about our Lord and Savior Torxus Christ?

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 years ago

Found the Canadian

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[–] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (4 children)

90% of complaints about any screw head type is some jackass using the wrong driver like a P2 in a P3 head totally mystified as to why their shit stripped.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's not just user error, though. Phillips also makes it easy to use an undersized driver, and people will grab whatever they have handy. Torx doesn't have that problem, but at the expense of needing a bunch of different drivers for different screws.

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[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago

How do I identify the screw head size by sight

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[–] lnxtx@feddit.nl 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

How does a positraction on a Plymouth work? It just does.

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[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 16 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm trying to understand what the top half of each diagram is

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[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] grooving@lemmy.studio 13 points 2 years ago

Screw this meme

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Torx is superior in every single way.

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[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

All that lame stuff. Torx it is.

[–] s_s@lemmy.one 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

Pozidriv > *

Not only is it self-centering like phillips and JIS (eg the reason they are used in so many line-assembled manufactured goods) but it's has superior contact like a Robertson (square drive) or hex or torx.

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[–] Sir_Simon_Spamalot@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago
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