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The term Tankie has a clear definition that Cowbee likes to ignore:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support or defend acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 55 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I find it very hard to believe, given CowBee's constant proselytizing, that they do not understand the distinction being made here.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I guarantee you they 100% understand. They simply don't care and are just being dishonest. They believe the ends justify the means.

[–] 9bananas@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

almost like words don't mean anything to them...that kinda reminds me of this other group of extremists that don't care what words mean! almost like they've got something in common or something....

tankie doesn't mean "communist", it means red fascist.

and cowbee thinks, by his own admission, that's the same thing.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That sweet Kremlin dough...

I mean he's not what they call a useful idiot.

[–] Edges@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You think cowbee is being paid by the kremlin?

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They do it for the love of the game.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

In some way yes, and/or China.

You'd be astonished how many people went to Moscow just as "tourists", especially before the 2022 full scale invasion of Ukraine. And got favours, got baited, and so on. Tim Pool (one example just on top of my head) got millions of dollars, we know because he got caught.

The kremlin can literally spread dissent by paying thousands of dollars which is insanely cheap, and that's what they have always done so no "news" here.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Or being paid by parties in the US who want to make "Communism" look bad.

I think that's the real source for a lot of tankie bullshit.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Why though? There's nothing communist about the Russian federation at all.

[–] Loce@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago

But there is the authoritarian part. They love to lick the boot.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 14 points 1 month ago

Tell that to a tankie.

[–] Lehmuusa@nord.pub 10 points 1 month ago

Soviet Union was "communist", and it used very authoritarian methods. Tankies have worked a lot in order to justify USSR's authoritarianism and grave inequality. The Russia is directly continuing the same methods, and therefore all the "justification" applies to the Russia as well.

Tankies were okay with those means in 1960's, and they are okay with the same means in 2020's. Regardless of the underlying economic system.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Like saying the Nazis were actually socialists. But nominally the Russian Federation is theoretically a democracy. A democracy that is an oligarchy and kleptocracy in which the same candidate will always win, the opposition is mostly token, and is in fact an authoritarian dictatorship.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Glad someone else has noticed the uptick of this stuff, I saw a "meme" that basically said they are against Israel and Ukraine??

Ukraine, much like Palestine, wants to mind their own business but can't because they're being invaded. How do you hate Israel but also support Russia? It's madness.

[–] cm0002 6 points 1 month ago

They hate anything the west supports and support anything Russia/china hate

I have no doubt in my mind that if Israel was supported by Russia instead of the US and keeping all else the same, they would be simping for them instead

[–] ConHoliousDonFrankle@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

It's hilarious reading their "arguments" and then posting facts they can only handle by banning you. The delusion dripping out of these "people" is so sad and painful to watch. Holding up America to make China or Russia look better is just like holding one turd to make the other look better.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I filtered out .ml.

I just got so sick of the constant pro-China bullshit, and their disingenuous arguments

They are a disinformation cesspool and don't hesitate to brigade.

Cowbee was the first username I learned to recognize. This shit is either his job, or there are multiple people running it, or even both.

My Lemmy experience has been a lot better since filtering .ml.

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

All tankies are communists (purportedly), but not all communists are tankies. Tankies believe in Stalin-style militant communism, and will do or say anything to support their ends regardless of if it's objectively true or not. They will deny all harms that are caused by anyone who claims to be a communist.

Basically they're MAGA in a different claimed direction.

[–] timestatic@feddit.org 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tankies are really bad communists tho. They support countries with an authoritarian elite that crush their own public. Thats not in the spirit of the ideology at all.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, the countries purged communists immediately

[–] cm0002 11 points 1 month ago

Basically they're MAGA in a different claimed direction.

You mean...like....."BlueMAGA" LMAO they were the bluemaga all along lolol

Projection all the way down lol

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[–] timestatic@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

Well following communist ideology doesn't mean you have to be a bootlicker for authoritarian states! No excuse honestly

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Wait…pretty sure contemporary Russia is CINO and even then just barely as they’ve gone capitalist in the ‘90s. I could understand the pedantics if it was expressly the USSR (Don’t agree with it, as an anarchist obvs, but still) or “critical support” for China, but here-and-now Russia?

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Always has been 🌍👨‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

Communism is classless and stateless. Somehow I find it hard to believe when the political class from a given state says they're communist.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

strangely you would think they welcome anarchy, but they dont.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 1 month ago

Well yes if communism was actually their goal. The problem with these revolutions is that they never actually end. And they try to govern via revolution as well. All change to the revolution becomes counter-revolution and therefore the enemy. Ultimately making their goal their enemy.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've said it before, but what kind of braindead retard unironically supports the Russian Federation. Like bro, the country is not only an authoritarian shithole, but it's also weak and on the verge of collapse. If you're gonna submit yourself to warlords, at least pick a winning side.

[–] Geobloke@aussie.zone 4 points 1 month ago

The whole point is that communism is anti imperialism. The US is the empire and Russia is fighting it, ergo they support Russia. Despite Russia itself being an empire

[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm banned from a bunch of places cuz of an interaction with cowbee. If you haven't checked out the account it's kinda wild, like 20k posts in two years or something. Averaging like 30 posts a day, every single day, for two years.

Some might think they're a paid ccp shill or something but I think they just do it for the love of the game. Always feel vindicated when I see other posts calling out cowbee's shit.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago

It's kinda sad when you look at it that way. I couldn't imagine being that online. I couldn't imagine being that online and still having time to engage with my actual life. And when you factor in the complete political weightlessness of their beliefs in reality, it just, damn. I couldn't imagine putting that much effort into an online "movemen"t of like 100 people. The herculean task of moving a hamster wheel.

[–] untorquer@quokk.au 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Using less effort and time with each step. The point is to waste their time/energy for a laugh:

  • Step 0. They give some BS about your comment/post
  • Step 1. Recognize their BS.
  • Step 2. Directly call them out on it.
  • Step 3. Refuse to engage with the change of subject.
  • Step 4. Refer them to step 2 in future comments.
[–] AlteE@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Sadly, but ml instance has also communities that are focused on non-political themes like tech stuff, so for now it has sense to block each community on ml except the normal ones.

[–] kibblebits@quokk.au 17 points 1 month ago (7 children)

Blocking all ML is the best solution. They offer nothing

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Or, for every community that lacks a mirror on a sane instance, create one.

[–] AlteE@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well, until these mirrors are created my statement is valid, I guess.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[–] cm0002 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

There's a mirror for nearly every .ml comm of note, and in a lot of cases a few different mirrors across a bunch of instances.

For example, linux (in order of size) has !linux@lemmy.world and !linux@programming.dev and !linux@sh.itjust.works and !linux@sopuli.xyz and !linux@discuss.tchncs.de

I also crosspost all (good) .ml content to drive comm activity off .ml to non-ml equivalent comms and whenever I do encounter one that doesn't have a non-mo equivalent I make one

So lmk what .ml comms you peruse and I'll tell you the closest non-ml version or I'll make it myself if it has recent activity or you could also use Lemmyverse.net which is a fantastic tool for Threadiverse comm discovery

[–] AlteE@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

Okay, thanks.

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[–] Rose@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] AlteE@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Whoah... The situation is even worse than I originally thought.

[–] Lehmuusa@nord.pub 2 points 1 month ago

I haven't really missed any tech stuff although I am subscribed to zero .ml comms.

There's enough activity in the sane parts of the Forumverse.

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[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Literally enough tankie spam

Enough tankie spam

[–] solidheron@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Lol I like the computer lingo of != But id say it's better to say "isn't".

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago

like how thier are "true conservatives"

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