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It looks like the IDF was trying to cover this stuff up, but the police investigation is forcing some stuff out into the open anyway.
So those videos of helicopters attacking very likely includes civilians being massacred like we had suspected.
The most surprising aspect is that this is coming to light already.
I saw one (yesterday?) of someone riding a pushbike. Just gone in a puff of smoke. Even if they were a militant, a fucking pushbike?
Israel: BUT WHAT WOULD YOU DO IF YOU THOUGHT A TERRORIST MIGHT HAVE BEEN ON A BICYCLE?!? OF COURSE YOU WOULDN"T CHASE THEM, YOU WOULD USE HELLFIRE MISSILES TO VAPORIZE THEM
Cops in western nations: .... fuck yeah! Fuck yeah, why can't we use hellfire missiles?
"a bicycle can be a technical"
this joke is dark, content warning
spoiler
to be fair, Israel seems to consider infants in incubators technicals as well
technicalities
Give 👏 Palestinian 👏 Babies 👏 Mechs 👏
got permission midweek from the Army
huh I wonder why you would need permission from the army for your peace festival, weird
when you get permission from the army to extend your peace festival
Aaron in TWP said it was like having a music festival next to a volcano
a volcano full of people
sorry not sorry but even if you are a civilian, you deserve anything that happens to you if you're partying next to auschwitz
Also "civilian" reservists and veterans of the occupying army lol
or just generic settlers, smol beans whomst got a free house stolen from the locals at gunpoint
I'd like to see a map of how much of the fighting was in the areas that even the UN considers to be illegally occupied by Israel.
that new film 'The Zone of Interest' seems like it's going to be very topical when it comes out in a few weeks
Personally I don't think Israeli civilians are any more blame-deserving than American/Canadian/Australian ones
hehe yeah 🙂
When you shoot me do it in the head so it's not so bad, that's all I ask
Seriously, how did "not in the face" become a trope? Fuck my funeral, don't make me feel my organs shutting down.
"I want my corpse to be pretty"
fuck that, shoot me in the face and toss me in a hole nobody will give a shit least of all me
I do think being 5+ generations removed from the occupation does dilute the guilt a bit but never completely. I also think the civilians who don't claim land ownership are nearly blameless.
I do think being 5+ generations removed from the occupation does dilute the guilt a bit
It's also like 10,000x the amount of land tho
Wow what a peaceful festival it must have been with armed soldiers, attack helicopters and next to the world's largest concentration camp.
paraglide into Israel
see a bunch of hippies
they’re dancing to Chain Smokers
“Jamil, you told me the IDF was go-“
IDF helicopters opens fire on you and the hippies
get blamed for massacre
Just the photo of the cars is evidence of Israeli choppers raining hell on a..checks notes...parking lot. Violently twisted metal doesn't happen from small arms fire. Cars that look like they've been falcon punched from above.
Same with a lot of the highway vehicles in other areas. I was still surprised people ate it up in the USA because the average American knows exactly what small arms fire does to a wide array of civilian vehicles (road rage, cops during pullovers) from watching the local news on their TV or being in the wrong place at wrong time. Bullet holes are very distinct on vehicles because they are round holes with paint blown off in a ring around each hole.
The IDF shocked a lot of western media consumers and politicians with the "savagery of Hamas" by posting footage of twisted minivans with dead families in them and took advantage of most people not picking up on some of that damage looking it was from an Apache gunships 30mm autocannon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/30_mm_caliber
There is nothing Hamas was seen carrying that would have torn some of those highway vehicles up like that, they didn't have the shaped charge damage from an RPG or bullet holes from small arms but had twisted roofs, blown out windows, and passengers who were shredded. It was the same with some of the civilian vehicles filled with burned bodies, the vehicles had caught fire but some of the ones that didn't burn long enough to fully destroy the vehicle body looked like they got hit with a hellfire missile or cannon fire from above and not small arms fire from the ground. Liveleak users who watched all the fkd up Iraq/Afghanistan war videos back in the mid 2000s will know what I mean.
Critical support to Israel in its war against Israel I guess
Cop nation
Only way they could be more cop is if the helicopters executed some dogs on the way out.
critical support for the pigs investigating war crimes i guess
IDF did 10/7
Even that comparison falls short because Bush arguably just let saudi operators perform the attacks, here Israel opened fire on the festival attendees themselves. Total death cult shit.
Friendly fire is the "big reveal" (that they admit it, not that many of us didn't know) here, but this part I am finding confusing:
This assessment is backed up by bodycam footage of a terrorist asking a captured civilian where the "bad guys" are
I've also tried Google Translate, and it repeats the same kind of thing without the quotes. I really don't understand what they are trying to say here. "Terrorist" is obviously being used in Israel's voice. But I suppose "bad guys" isn't? What "bad guys" were the Palestinians fighters supposed to be asking for? Israeli police and IOF? Would they have used a term like (the equivalent) of "bad guys" to Israeli music festival attendees? Who would they have thought the Israelis would think were "bad guys"? Themselves? WTF?
Someone in the thread claims it's a mistranslation of Ra'im, the kibbutz they were actually trying to reach.
That makes a hell of a lot more sense. Thank you.
I kinda think its entirely likely that a gazan would think the israeli knew what he meant. Especially considering that he's probably never seen an israeli before.
Haaretz has been reporting on this for months but only in Hebrew. EG the Grayzone article cited Haaretz.