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[–] ech@lemmy.ca 174 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

And grok used to mean "understand", not "nazi shithead propaganda machine".

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 51 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And meme used to refer to a unit of cultural information that spreads by imitation, not a funny picture on social media.

[–] TheBlindPew@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In fairness to memes, that definition is still largely true, its just that the common usage tends to refer to this specific form of meme. Like with squares and rectangles, not all anthropological memes are image macros, but all image macro memes are a subset of anthropological memes

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[–] orenj@leminal.space 28 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It was one of my favorite words.

Such is life

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[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

TIL grok is an actual word.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I recommend Stranger In A Strange Land by Robert Heinlein. It's a pretty influential work of early science fiction.

Mind you, it's been like 30 years since I read any Heinlein. Not sure I'd feel the same way about his stuff now as late teen me did, but the many books of his I read definitely shaped a lot of my philosophy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok

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[–] Cease@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah no sorry the origin was always gross. Stranger in a strange land is just heinlein's weird fetish porn where he justifies old men sleeping with young girls (sound familiar?)

And grok was always a term used by weirdos who thought the book was deep for some crazy reason and wanted to sound like they were part of this insider intellectuals club

[–] KingOfSleep@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Please don't interpret this as a defense of Robert Heinlein's books as it has been decades since I read them and it sounds like you might be more familiar with them. But weren't all the women in Stranger in a Strange Land older than Michael Valentine Smith?

Are you confusing the character with Lazarus Long from Time Enough for Love, et al? I think he was thousands of years older than some of his (adult) love interests...

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I used to be with it. Then they changed what it was.

[–] pega_sus@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Now what I'm with isn't it

[–] calliope@retrolemmy.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Now what I'm with isn't 'it' anymore and what's 'it' seems weird and scary to me.

[–] tinyvoltron@discuss.online 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 62 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 45 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

You think you're annoyed?

image

The Goon by Eric Powell.

In a town full of zombies, degenerates, mad scientists, and assorted weirdos a two fisted thug runs things his way.

[–] Elshender@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

"a two fisted thug"

Ah yes, Johnny two fists.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

it's a pulp fiction kinda thing.

no, not the film

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[–] daveywaveyboy@feddit.nl 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Spike Milligan used it as meaning idiots/simpletons but says he first new the word from Alice the Goon

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I miss when gay means happy.

Okay I'm not that old but i had a boss who said he's old enough to remember when gay literally means happy.

For me, my little pet peeve is when society changed the meaning of ironic to mean joking or satirical.

[–] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

For me, my little pet peeve is when society changed the meaning of ironic to mean joking or satirical.

Did they 'literally' changed it?

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[–] Tango@piefed.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Ironically (given the original name of this community), the ancient Chinese had entire discourses on the idea that in order for society to function correctly, people needed to be able to agree what words meant.

A superior man, in regard to what he does not know, shows a cautious reserve. If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success. When affairs cannot be carried on to success, proprieties and music will not flourish. When proprieties and music do not flourish, punishments will not be properly awarded. When punishments are not properly awarded, the people do not know how to move hand or foot. Therefore a superior man considers it necessary that the names he uses may be spoken appropriately, and also that what he speaks may be carried out appropriately. What the superior man requires is just that in his words there may be nothing incorrect.

--Master Kong (AKA Confucius)

https://ctext.org/analects/zi-lu

The established names of the later kings: penal and legal terms followed those of Shang, noble titles followed those of Zhou, literary titles followed those of Li. As for miscellaneous names applied to all things, they conformed to the established customs and conventions of Zhuxia; in distant regions with different local customs, these were adapted accordingly for general understanding.

As for miscellaneous names applied to people: the inherent nature that causes a person to be what he is called "xing." The harmony of xing gives rise to refined interactions and responsive 感应; when things occur effortlessly and naturally without deliberate action, this is called xing. The inclinations of xing—liking, disliking, joy, anger, sorrow, and happiness—are called qing. When the emotions arise and the mind makes choices in response, this is called lü (deliberation). When the mind deliberates and is thus able to act intentionally, this is called wei. When deliberation accumulates and becomes habitual, and only then achieves formation, it is called wei. Acting in accordance with what is righteous and beneficial is called shi (affairs or actions). Acting in accordance with righteousness is called xing (conduct or behavior). The capacity for knowledge within a person is called zhi. When knowledge aligns with something, it is called zhi (wisdom). The capacity for action within a person is called neng. When ability aligns with something, it is also called neng (capability). When xing is harmed, it is called bing (illness or affliction). A person's encounter with measured circumstances is called ming (fate or destiny): these are the miscellaneous names applied to people, and they represent the established terms of later kings.

Therefore, when a sovereign establishes names, once names are fixed and realities distinguished, the Way is put into practice and aspirations become clear; thus, he carefully leads the people toward unity. Therefore, to split words and arbitrarily create names in order to confuse established terms, causing the people to be doubtful and leading to frequent disputes among them, is called a great jian (great villain or great wrongdoer). Their crime is still akin to that of falsifying tokens, seals, and measurements. Therefore, the people dare not fabricate strange words to confuse established names; thus, their people are sincere and upright. Sincerity makes them easy to lead, and being easy to lead leads to public harmony. The people dare not fabricate strange terms to confuse established names, so they remain unified in the Way and law, and are careful to follow commands. If this is done, then their legacy will be enduring. An enduring legacy and accomplished achievements represent the highest attainment of governance. This is the achievement of carefully upholding the conventions of names. Now that the sage kings have passed away, the guardianship of names has become lax; strange terms arise, and the correspondence between names and realities becomes confused. When the forms of right and wrong are unclear, even those officials who uphold the law and Confucian scholars who recite canonical texts also fall into disorder. If a sovereign were to arise, he would surely follow established names while also creating new ones as needed. Therefore, the reasons for having names, the basis on which things are deemed the same or different, and the essential principles of establishing names must not be overlooked.

--Master Xun

https://ctext.org/xunzi/zheng-ming

Of course, there are also plenty of modern examples of how unclear communication can cause catastrophe.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

"Gimme the good old days when a pair of boobs were a couple of dumb guys." - Sheriff Buford T. Justice

Edited to fix attribution. I was sure it was Dangerfield, but DDG says otherwise.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago

I still think of Goon as a hockey enforcer. As a Canadian, i'm obligated to.

[–] RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago

It's a psy-op to protect the goons that are detaining innocents on American streets.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

'Goon' still means Henchman.

Don't let the vapid famewhore influencerati dictate language changes. Laugh at their obvious inability and keep being you.

[–] TheSlad@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wtf are you talking about? Also, language is a social construct and words change meaning all the time. They can also mean more than one thing...

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[–] Bhaelfur@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Gives all new meaning to David Bowie's song Fashion.

We are the goon squad and we're coming to town, beep beep!

Or he's just a time traveler and knew exactly what he was doing...

[–] WhyIHateTheInternet@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Or he was David Bowie and was fucking weird

[–] Routhinator@startrek.website 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

What does it mean now? This is the only definition I know.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] lordziv@lemmy.nz 9 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

As stupid as it was, "Fap," made sense.

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

People keep on using "glaze" to mean to excessively praise somebody, but I'm pretty sure it means to give a wet sloppy blowjob, so it's pretty weird hearing it used otherwise.

[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

No glazing is what you do to their face after they've given you a wet sloppy blowjob. Thats where it gets its more conversational definition of showing excessive praise to someone.

[–] save_the_humans@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I thought it was what you do to donuts..

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 7 points 2 weeks ago

Goon literally started out as the big nosed henchmen of the sea hag in the Popeye comic strip in the 1930s. It got applied to refer to anti-union fighters very quickly before it became a general purpose word meaning low-level henchman.

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