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[–] Clasm@lemmy.world 144 points 1 year ago (29 children)

How they used to get rid of motor oil back in the day.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The oil is now outside of the environment

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[–] GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social 111 points 1 year ago (7 children)

"Feed a cold, starve a fever." Rest, hydrate, and eat if you can.

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[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

Aristotle was obviously a great teacher and philosopher but he ended up being wrong about a lot. Like he thought the “elements” were earth, wind, fire, and water and that all objects want to be in their “natural” place. So, if you drop a rock, it tries to return to the earth. Fire goes up because it’s trying to get to where it “wants” to live.

He thought eels didn’t procreate because no one had ever seen it happening. (They go out to sea to fuck.) He was into bees and correctly noticed that there were workers and drones and that young bees grow out of the honeycomb. But he just assumed the Queen was a King and that worker bees were out collecting tiny baby bees from flowers. (He thought the air just blew pollen around and the honey naturally appeared.)

He had a lot of ideas that were just ideas but he was so influential and his writings were preserved and translated. It took a shocking number of years for people to question if Aristotle was full of shit.

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The worst part of it was that for a ton of stuff he had contemporaries that were right about much much more, but were dismissed in favor of his confidently incorrect BS.

For example the Epicureans, who thought matter was made of tiny indivisible parts, that light too was made of indivisible parts moving really fast, that each parent contributed to a "doubled seed" which determined the traits of the child and could bring back features of skipped generations, that the animals which we see today were just the ones that were best able to survive to reproduce, and that all of existence arose only from the random interactions of these indivisible parts of matter and not from any intelligent design.

And because Aristotle's stupid ideas influenced the lineage of modern thought, most people learn about him but very few learn about the other group that effectively preempted modern thought millennia earlier.

But he just assumed the Queen was a King

Actually, he acknowledged "some say" the Queen was female, but then argued it couldn't be because the gods don't give women weapons and it had a stinger. And the identification of the leader of the hive as male was actually used for centuries to justify patriarchal monarchy as being "by God's design" because after all, look at the bee hive (somehow when we realized it was actually a female that logic went up in smoke).

So there were other people that did know what was correct, but Aristotle screwed up the development of thinking around it by rationalizing an opposite answer with an appeal to misogyny.

Wild that he was only two degrees of separation from a teacher famed for praising the knowledge of self-ignorance and not falling into false positives and negatives.

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[–] I_Fart_Glitter@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, but the rocks and flames thing is pretty cute. The elements.. they yearn for their homes...

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[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

It's fascinating just how utterly alien this all sounds to our modern ears, with the benefit of many generations cycling through the creation and deployment of the written word, then the printed word, then electromagnetic communication, then computers, then the internet.

Imagine the strange descriptions and explanations that were passed down via the spoken word and memory alone, for countless generations until arriving at Aristotle. Before the Sumerians and all the way up to the Phoenicians and FINALLY the invention of a workable, practical phonetic alphabet. Imagine the tales they would tell! So many of them lost to time, before they had a chance at being registered in a physical medium.

How did they make sense of what they saw in the night skies at places like Lascaux and Gobekli Tepe? How did they regard and explain the migration of the birds, the rainbow and the lightning?

Accumulating knowledge and communications technology have standardized certain views of the world, one step at a time, first slowly then more rapidly, and accelerating. In the days of Aristotle, this was all just barely beginning, and I believe that what we don't know about those people before that time - the human primate in the process of becoming civilized - could surprise and confound us, that their views might have been more alien and even outlandish to us than we can imagine.

I mean... Aristotle sounds weird enough, right? I believe he's just the tip of a huge and deep iceberg of ideas and time.

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[–] ReaderTunesOctopus@lemmy.world 92 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check out the history of bird migration science. There was everything from birds going to the moon for winter, swallows burrowing in the mud, transmorphing to different species, up to the 19th century

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Lightning never strikes the same place twice. In fact it favors repeated strikes at the same arcing point.

In the middle ages churches would ring the steeple bells during a thunderstorm in an effort to soothe God. (it was assumed the Christian God was directly responsible for lightning.) This resulted in such an epidemic of lightning deaths among parish priests that ringing church bells in thunderstorms remains a criminal act in some regions of Europe.

Modern cathedrals and statues are fitted with replaceable lightning rods, in an admission God is content to let the mechanics of static electricity guide His thunderbolts.

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[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not even ancient- we used to prescribe cigarettes to cure asthma.

[–] Skyhighatrist@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We used to blow tobacco smoke up people's asses, literally.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Doc, I have a killer migraine.

Ah, I have just the thing...

pulls out cast iron skillet.

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[–] nefurious_krankstar@lemmy.world 64 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yep, better to test if they can swim.

[–] Cannibal_MoshpitV3@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or if they weigh as much as a duck

[–] MajesticSloth@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

She turned me into a newt!

[–] Cannibal_MoshpitV3@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

...I got better.

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[–] Restaldt@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Its perfectly safe to burn any and all trash

Especially batteries

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

It was safe to burn batteries when they were made of zinc.

Modern battery chemistry is the problem there

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[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Most forms of medical advice, some of it stuck around for a long ass time (bloodletting and the idea of spirits and humors lasted several millennia), but I imagine that the vast majority of it is lost to time.

You don't even have to go all that far back to see this in action.

In the 90's, the universal medical advice was to avoid fats, sauces and dear lord never eat more than 2-3 eggs in a week or you'll have a coronary before 40.

You still shouldn't go overboard with fats and sauce which is made with fat, but the advice that you shouldn't eat more than 2-3 eggs in a week is entirely defunct now.

You can eat 2-3 eggs a day (which many people do without even knowing as eggs are used in a whole lot of things) without any medical disadvantages.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Read the theories of René Descartes (17th century) about the nature of air and the atmosphere. Try to get his original texts (translation if needed), not any secondary works.

It is some seriously sick stuff, from today's point of view :-)

At his time he was quite a renowned scientist.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] ace_garp@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The Ether/Aether

That there is an invisible structure all around us that allows gravity, light and electricity to move through it. Now debunked or replaced.

Trepanning to release evil spirits.

Drill a hole in your head as a cureall for any mental behaviour abnormalities. Still practised as an emergency surgery, only to release life-threatening blood and pressure buildup inside the cranial cavity.

Blowing smoke up your ass

Gut pain? Almost drowned? Time to blow some tobacco smoke up your bum. Discontinued.

[–] mea_rah@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fun fact: This is also how Ethernet (wired network connection) got its name. Ether was already dismissed as a theory, but "omnipresent, completely-passive medium for the propagation of electromagnetic waves" was a good description of hardware layer that can transfer data in a way that's abstracting all the signal handling complexity for higher layers.

So in a way I'm actually sending this comment via Ethernet.

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[–] lemmie689@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] DuckPuppet@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

pretty interesting wiki page, is their 60 base math the reason we still have 60 base time?

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Basically, yes. Time, angles, geographic coordinates.

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[–] kingaloo@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Drowning women to determine if they are witches.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Whatever you do, don't ask for bloodletting if you get sick

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Look into the death of George Washington. His doctor responded to what could have been a mild cold by taking a liter of blood 4 separate times from him. Washington very well could have recovered if he was just left alone.

Oh, and the doctor somewhat realized his mistake and tried to put some of the blood back after(!) Washington expired, with the logic that if blood loss killed him giving it back should revive him.

So yeah. Pumping blood back into a dead man. That was done on the founding president of the United States.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago

Unless you have excess swelling in specific parts of the body, like a cranial bleed, which does require letting out some blood to relieve pressure that can kill you. And leeches are used medically for relieving some types of swelling as well. Then there is maggots that can be used for infections to eat dead skin. All of those practices came from some specific medical treatments that did work for some specific types of injuries, although a few of them were overused for things that had nothing to do with why they existed in the first place which was counterproductive.

So while not asking for it is good advice, don't turn it down if an actual licensed medical doctor recommends them as a treatment that has been supported by evidence.

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't shower because you'll get water on your brain and go dumb

[–] speck@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

Dang. Is this brought to us from the same people who believe washing your asscrack makes you gay?

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[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Anyone reading this thread and genuinely interested in it should go listen to the dollop podcast. It's American history, mostly between the 1500's and now. But the different episodes they do are stuffed full of this kind of faulty logic from the past.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Blood letting. Have a fever, must be to much blood inside you.

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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't know how common it is but my grandmas always said that you shouldn't eat pork after being released from the hospital or while sick. Then I finally remembered to ask a doctor about it and he said there's no such thing.

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