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Consider:

-holders of advanced degrees and credentials (gatekeeping)

-assigns labour (literally called worksheets!) to pupils (proles)

-gives out sanctions, extra work, and bad reviews to punish bad work behaviour

-literally trained in discipline

-sharing of knowledge is forbidden, calls it cheating

-insists that you not work directly with your best friend, assigns you pairwork with a gender you're not yet comfortable with

-according to most media, teachers are the most liberal profession

-creates quarterly performance reports for workers, stressing constant need to improvement (report cards)

-have direct access to whiteboard markers and notebooks, the means of instruction!

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[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If any of you try to take this seriously and make a struggle session I will personally come to your house and make you eat a bar of soap like you're 7 years old and said a bad word.

I am once again begging for hexbear users to learn that bourgeois is not just a synonym for bad.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Okay but what if I find it funny

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You need to write "bourgeois are the owners of capital and the means of production" in your notebook 20 times. Also I need to call your mum.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Appeal to authority fallacy. Wow.

spoiler/s

[–] AFineWayToDie@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago

(Whispering) ...Are women bourgois? lt-dbyf-dubois

[–] GarfGirl@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago
[–] Wheaties@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

I['m pretty sure I] know this is a joke, however

No. Teachers do not make their living by owning capital, and thus are not bourgeois.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

No.

Next question.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago
[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

They were when they gave me homework angry-hex

[–] dead@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

The intended purpose of public schooling is to prepare children for a job ie sell their labor to a capitalist. It's not some sort of secret; every public school will tell you this. Public grade school is designed to simulate working at a job. Public school teachers simulate the management of a job.

School teachers are not bourgeois.

[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Yes, the bourgeoisie are bad. Ergo ex factorio, all bad things are bourgeoisie.

QED

[–] D61@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

"Is wearing underwear bourgeois?"

[–] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

bad posting

downbear

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Absolutely not

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

No. Read theory.

[–] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

a-little-trolling

spoilerRead Pedagogy of the Oppressed

[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

are women bourgeoisie?

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Uhh. They're actually evil mages, obviously. A cabal of sorcerors.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Yes, and bed times are authoritarian.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

School teachers are just annoying as shit, taking all their personal issues out on students.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

"Very nice commentary, young Fucky. You're welcome to discuss this further in Mr. Bidet's lunch time discussion club.“

said in a teacher voice

No.

Speaking of homework I'm assigning some to you right now: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm

Ur prospectus is due in a week nerd

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

bugs-no
Good bit tho

[–] blight@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Obviously not, but there are still interesting things to be said about the often unwilling role that teachers play in reinforcing class society. Some of our first experiences with capitalist propaganda are handled by teachers, who have to since it's in the curriculum.

Homework is literally classism, kids whose parents / paid tutors have time and knowledge to help will be better off.

[–] HexBroke@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, but teachers are objectively closer to cops than pretty much all other workers

[–] Huldra@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Particularly in countries like the US when there are literal cops in the schools with the teachers, but also to varying extents elsewhere.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

My gym teacher in middle school was literally a former correctional officer

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Is this praxis?

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

What the fuck?!

No!!!!

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago
[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

No homework! No bedtimes!

[–] nothx@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

What's that, noTHX? Get out there and give me 2 laps

Harry DuBois was bourgeoise even before he became a cop

[–] jabrd@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

Where’s the Marx piece where he talks about labor theory of value in relation to teachers who work for the state vs those who work for private schools and how that differentiates them economically?

[–] Ecohex@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

the only proletariat teacher is the home economics teacher

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

not bourgeois but they are kinda like cops, obviously horrible under capitalism but probably a good/necessary thing under communism.

[–] kot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

They are not at all like cops. This is a very complex topic, but basically teachers are, using Gramsci's terminology, "organic intellectuals", and they reproduce the ideology belonging to a certain class. Teachers are dangerous to capitalism because IF they have class consciousness they can pass those ideas to their students; basically creating well informed, critical students with class consciousness should be the goal of any marxist teacher. As neoliberalism advances to the school sector (at least here in south america), teachers lose and more and more of their freedom to actually give classes with anti-hegemonic ideas: bureaucratic work that has nothing to do with teaching is introduced, and they are forced to follow curriculums and textbooks with a bunch of pro-capitalist crap in them, and with very little in the way of actual knowledge. There are also actual fascist thugs in Brazil called "escola sem partido" ("school without a party") who basically bully and threaten teachers so that their children's education can be as conservative as possible. Of course, under this context, and with the curriculum that they are increasingly forced to follow, they become "organic intellectuals" of the bourgeoisie, but it's not really the fault of the teachers, and it's only the teachers, by acquiring class consciousness and through organizing, who can push back against this. We also increasingly speak more and more of the "proletarization" of the teachers here, who increasingly become more like factory workers, alienated from their labor, and with lower and lower salaries. Teachers are also necessary in ways that cops are not, since their work is to evaluate the level of development of children and make them surpass them, which is something only they can do (Vygotsky's "level of proximal development"). The problem is that capitalism doesn't allow the teachers to actually do their jobs correctly. I guess in summary, cops are class traitors whose main function is to protect private property. Teachers are workers who only perpetuate capitalist ideology when they are literally forced to and fucked over by the capitalist education system. Teachers have some revolutionary potential because of their ability to make working class students recognize and think critically about their condition, cops have absolutely no revolutionary potential since they are just fascist bullies. Of course, this is the case in Latin America anyway, I don't know what teachers are like in burgerland.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

To add on to that, they even have significant amounts of capital! They get paid tons, relative to the proles allowances. They also use a lot of their money to buy school supplies, and the school supplies are used to do their job, which produces money. Teachers literally do M-C-M.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago
[–] worldonaturtle@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Teachers dont own the school but the principal might own it and if not the principal the superintendent. Teachers are workers!

[–] commiespammer@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

You've heard of time and teachers being bourgeois, now get ready for this:

space-time as a concept is bourgeois. Einstein was a cop.