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[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 86 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love how Elder Scrolls treats the fantasy races. Real grim danky and full of racism and dark shit all over.

I love being in Morrowind and being called names because I'm a giant walking lizard where cat folk and lizard folks used to be slaves. Lean into that shit Bethesda. Gimme dat race war.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Except the problem is that Bethesda writes really flat, unconvincing racists. In fact, I'd go as far as to argue weakly portrayed racists in media like Bethesda's are part of why racists are always like "I'm not racist!" because they're comparing themselves to absurdly over the top tropes of badly written racism.

[–] Thassodar@lemm.ee 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

You want Disco Elysium level racists in all your games? Because they got that right.

Yes. The Disco Elysium devs deserve to write all games.

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe not all games, but a 3d open-world RPG written by the Disco writers would be utterly amazing

[–] midget247@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you tried New Vegas?

Oh what am I saying, of course you have

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hahaha only a few thousand hours. You just reminded me that it's been too long since I've done a playthrough so thank you, I'm off to add a few more

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If it's been more than a few years, you'll be blown away by recent mods. There's been a bit of a modding Renaissance.

[–] camr_on@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Music to my ears. I'm hoping to get a modded playthrough working on the steam deck. I did a TTW playthrough a couple years ago and it was great

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Steam Deck definitely has a learning curve to mod with, but I've done it. You can either go the Wabajack route and transfer the list from a Windows PC, or manually mod it using Linux natively on the deck. Viva New Vegas is fantastic, if you want a TTW list the Wasteland Survival Guide is fantastic too. You can add the Mojave Express Guide on tip of VNV if you want more content.

[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I need a Khajiit Measurehead

KHAJIIT HAS CRANIOMETRIC PERFECTION AND ADVICE ON RACIAL THEORIES IF YOU HAVE COIN.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago

They do now for sure. Morrowind at least was a lot harsher. It wasn't just racists. There were groups who still practiced race-based chattel slavery. Now they are mostly too scared to even mention it as a possibility.

(Although I would argue Starfield is pretty racist in it's creation. A large portion of black characters have African accents. This is long after colonization, and theoretically there would have been lots of race/nationality mixing after leaving earth. Sure, some places may retain or even strengthen their accents, but it probably wouldn't be race based anymore, or at least not the same as in modern day earth. It's so uncreative and uninteresting, and seemingly racist in its portrayal. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who noticed this, but it aggravated me.)

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

One of my favourite examples of a "weak" racist is Ulfric Stormcloak in skyrim. You telling me the Jarl of Windhelm and the leader of the pro nord movement continues to tolerate the grey quarter within his walls? Especially given it is implied most nords are racist, and especially the windhelm ones, it seems it would be an obvious political move to evict/raze/kill off the grey quarter.

Of course this could be seen as a bit extreme but it seems weird to me that the city hosting the leadership of the nord rebellion is more racially diverse than some of the other nordic settlements.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Used to be?

Looks like some n'wah forgot to lock his shed and now all the farm tools have run off.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Toribor@corndog.social 20 points 1 year ago

I sell Dwemer oil and Dwemer oil accessories.

[–] 50MYT@aussie.zone 9 points 1 year ago

How do we get to subscribe to this show

[–] Jknaraa@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 year ago

Night Elves in Warcraft 3: Murderous xenophobic amazons.

Night Elves in World of Warcraft: Bubbly hippie chicks.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elves in Divinity Original Sin 2: nomnomnomnomnomnomnom...

[–] TwoBeeSan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Mmmmmm adrenaline rush

[–] Eagle0600@yiffit.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dwarf Fortress elves are basically Bosmer from the Elder Scrolls, basically anti-vegans. They will eat the bodies of their fallen enemies, but won't bear any harm coming to a plant.

[–] Rootiest@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I hate them. Let me chop the trees down in peace you worthless elves!

[–] Rognaut@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Pretty sure that's bobby and Luann.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago

That better be a propane grill I tell ya hwat

[–] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

It looks more like Cotton to me.

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile, wood elves in Dragonlance:

1000003639

[–] Godric@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I see the lance, where dragon?

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] odium@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You should update your username to DragonTypeUndeadWyvern after that lancing

[–] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There dragon.

There castle.

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meanwile Forest Knife-Ears in Warhammer:

Setting foot in our forest? Bad move!

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That feel when you gaslight the Fantasy French into worshipping your God Queen and then kill them for trying to see her.

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, but that's a fun recreational time!

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And don't even tell them about the Deldar

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Those are 40k.
And DElfs aren't Forest Knife-Ears.

But yes, those are even worse.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Eldar means elf, we know this because Tolkien invented the term and said it means elf.

While Drukhari and Druchii have a different history, and Games Workshop mostly retconned the idea that the WHFB world existed somewhere in 40k, I have fairly little doubt you could find a WHFB Dark Elf calling themselves Eldar somewhere, at least in a "Eldar is the elven word" kind of way, and culturally they're pretty similar in theme. At least in the "BDSM reaver and slaver Elves that don't believe in consent" kind of way.

Tl;Dr Dark Eldar works for WHFB just fine, because they stole half their ideas and terms from Tolkien anyways. The rest they stole from Moorcock.

[–] pleb_maximus@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Sure Dark Eldar works for Fantasy too, GW stole pretty much everything about Warhammer and cobbled it together. But still, the common nomenclature is DEldar for 40k (although I think they got some copryrightable name a few years ago) and DElfs for WHFB.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Will you grill me on this grill?

[–] Fox@pawb.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

YOU BETTER EMPTY THE GREASE TRAY

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] BloodSlut@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

i sell fire salts and fire salt accessories

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[–] milliams@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder. Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels. Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies. Elves are glamorous. They project glamour. Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment. Elves are terrific. They beget terror. The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning. No one ever said elves are nice. Elves are bad.

Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies

[–] Steinsprut@szmer.info 7 points 1 year ago

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