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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 128 points 1 year ago

guy who learns about abu ghraib and thinks it's good visible-disgust

[–] Yllych@hexbear.net 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"my professor made me learn about my own country's barbarism!"

"He was anti American during the class about the time we tried to exterminate the brutes in Vietnam!"

" He said we could read Hansel and Gretel and have warm milk and cookies but tricked us and forced us to read Heart of Darkness!"

these are deeply unserious people and I wish the bottom left one in particular a very join the Marines and drown in the red sea

Edit :just saw that one was in 2007 but my sentiments still stand.

[–] Hello_Kitty_enjoyer@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I agree. They are deeply unserious

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

if it's not "plain text" he will send your essay back

Anti-Formatting Aktion

[–] buh@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago
[–] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

you can format .txt files pretty nicely if you're not a dweeb, skill issue imo

[–] nohaybanda@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Sending my prof raw .tex files like

sans-troll

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[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yet your comment is formatted. Curious! :very-intelligent:

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I just want Furr-sensei to notice me alphys-anxious

[–] dannoffs@hexbear.net 80 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are genuine academic critiques to be made of some of Furr's work. "He made me learn America bad" and "he made me learn about pirates and communism" aren't them.

[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes. J Arch Getty - a legit Soviet historian who is a lib but is still very fair to Stalin IMO and generally very USSR-friendly - once said that Furr understands the material in the archives, but he just comes to really weird conclusions.

I think Furr is fine as long as you know you’re getting an apologist more than a historian. There’s a place for that. Furr himself admittedly (on the Proles pod) he thinks Stalin did nothing wrong. If you approach history from that angle you’re going to have blind spots. IMO skip Furr and go to Losurdo.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago (5 children)

He actually does go off topic quite a bit. But it's 100% worth going down whatever rabbithole he goes on an adventure on.

10/10, if you get a chance to talk with him and pick his brain on random early soviet history topics, you should.

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Funniest way to use their tenure.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When I made /r/groverfurr the reddit admins banned it in under 24 hours with the excuse that it was a copy of a banned subreddit (chapotraphouse) intended for subreddit ban evasion.

[–] cosecantphi@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It kind of looks like reddit has permanently marked all accounts and variously fingerprinted users that once posted often in r/cth and now they just ban any new subreddit where they start to congregate regardless of whether it's an actual attempt to revive the sub or not. It's like a soft shadow ban where we can still comment on most posts in most subreddits, but if we start talking politics with like minded people, it alerts the admins.

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

Bit idea: make a bot that makes new subreddits on these marked accounts so there are no free subreddits left on reddit-logo

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they're doin COINTELPRO for posters. they know we can never be allowed to reunite.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is r/thedeprogram still up then?

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[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

it's really funny that a socdem podcast community became a pretext for reddit to remove any and all marxist discussion.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Anything left of liberal is a breeding ground for critical thinking, and that opens the door for reds.

If you have just 1 single red in a space that people are listening to, more reds are made, because we are correct. Give it long enough and things get spicey.

This is why no matter how many times they exterminate us. No matter how many times they commit unspeakable crimes to set back the left, it will always come back, until it eventually wins.

You can cut all the flowers but you cannot keep spring from coming.

[–] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Furr's Natopedia page is wild. The very first line:

Grover Carr Furr III (born April 3, 1944) is an American professor of Medieval English literature at Montclair State University who is best known for his revisionist views regarding the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin.

And the edit history is a war zone. The 2 most recent changes are someone rewording a sentence to make it less biased:

before after
Furr has written books, papers, and articles about Soviet history, especially the Stalin era, in which he has stated that the Holodomor, the 1932–33 ~~government-created~~ famine in Soviet Ukraine, was not deliberate, describing it as a fiction created by pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists Furr has written books, papers, and articles about Soviet history, especially the Stalin era, in which he has stated that the Holodomor, the 1932–33 famine in Soviet Ukraine, was not deliberate, describing the story of it being deliberate as a fiction created by pro-Nazi Ukrainian nationalists

with edit summary Word correction - could have previously be interpreted as famine denial, made the language less biased.. Within 4 minutes, it was undone, with edit summary Previous version appeared more neutral.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I do these edits all the time all over socialist articles. I just write in "does not conform to wikipedia NPOV rules, biased language removed".

I use the abbreviation to sound all official wikipedian legalese and make people think twice about reverting lmao

[–] edge@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Of course fucking Mzajac/Michael Z is on that page. He defends pro-Western narratives about Ukraine all over Wikipedia.

[–] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

Mzajac is such a fucking asshole to every editor he interacts with. He's been pulled into ANI so many times, and people are like "why is he still an admin". I do think that the war in Ukraine broke his brain tho, since he's been so much more unhinged and aggressive since then.

[–] iByteABit@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago

What do you mean the US isn't the god sent saviour of all civilization that can do no wrong angery

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

i too had a history teacher who went on wild tangents with the smallest provocation

he was a stinking lib though sadness

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I had a class with what was the stereotype of a college professor chuds complain about.

Was some gen Ed credit like "culture language and hummanity" that was basically him being a reddit atheist lib about every current topic.

We were supposed to "keep a journal" for the whole course for our final grade.

Finals week I went through all his power points and paraphrased them as my "journal"

He had me come I to his office to congratulate me and tell me I had thenoutlinenof a book lol.

Libs love hearing their own thoughts quoted back at them.

[–] raven@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

I had a history prof go on a class long tangent about how communists were evil because Marx said religion is the opiate of the masses. I, being a cringe atheist at the time thought "damn that's cool af, this Marx guy is spitting" and I think that was the general consensus of the class.

Geography professor however started day one with a lecture on why Mercator, and most other map projections are racist, and told us that he wasn't listening to any complaints about saying that from anyone white.

[–] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

"Very political views"

[–] neo@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

Sounds like a good professor with interesting lectures.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] MrPiss@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

He's literally the right wing boogeyman Stalinist college professor in the actual existing flesh. He's written books defending Stalin from the perspective that Stalin could basically do no wrong.

[–] kot@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

He's written books defending Stalin from the perspective that Stalin could basically do no wrong.

soviet-chad

[–] wombat@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin

[–] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

also he rules

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is his stuff worth reading or is he more of a quack with an occasionally good take?

[–] HeavenAndEarth@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

100% quack. He's good at finding sources but his analysis is very poor.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago

A Soviet archive enthusiast

[–] VILenin@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

Gonna cry? Gonna shit your pants?

I guess they should have put “WARNING: NO SAFE SPACES FOR IMPERIALISTS AND GENOCIDE APOLOGISTS” in red on the course catalog.

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Isn't Furr's official field like, Medieval literature? Why are his students studying US foreign policy?

[–] kot@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

If his field was political theory he would be a massive neoliberal. From my own experience, the way anglo-american academia seems to work is that if your field is related to that, it's very hard to get a job in academia without reproducing US empire propaganda. For instance, their philosophers don't read Marx, and a lot of the political philosophy they study exists to basically justify liberal democracy as the most ethical system that exists.
If you come from a different field though, like English literature, there is more leeway to study Marx and critical theory. Grover Furr is also a massive ML and hobbyist historian of Soviet history, and it probably bleeds into his classes quite a lot.

[–] ValpoYAFF@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

Because he has tenure

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[–] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Going to be honest, the bottom right comment would probably be half of us lol. Finding the lectures cool, but struggling to pay attention and desperately wanting to move on to the main part of the course.

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

admittedly if i signed up to learn about historical literature and instead of reading the books themselves i had to read about the books and about communist pirates i would feel a little lied to

[–] HexBroke@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The novel is a pretty recent Western invention. Literature is quite a broad term and includes articles, poetry, diaries, etc

[–] Cromalin@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

oh i know, but you expect to be mostly reading stories when you sign up for a class like that, maybe spend a week on some other stuff but mostly novels or short stories

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[–] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I’m jealous

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

FrIgHtEnInG

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Title for each of those ratings should read: Shitlibs beware!

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