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[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 203 points 2 years ago (4 children)

So I'm in the military, and my unit is particularly pleasant to be at, enough that if there are other military people on here, they might get upset by what I'm about to say.

We have peer group meetings with the Commanding Officer of the base, meaning each paygrade meets with the CO without the people above or below them to hear, and discuss issues. As you can imagine, those in the lower paygrades tend to be significantly younger, and when it got to my paygrade, we were all, almost without exception, millenials.

To give a background, in the military we get 30 days of leave per year (basically vacation), unlimited sick days, maternity and paternity leave (I believe it's at 2 months for Paternity, which is pretty generous by US standards). Additionally, at my unit, we get a four day weekend for every federal holiday, have various "morale days" through the year for fishing derbies, group hikes, etc, and a 6.5 hour work day (cue all military going WTF?!).

At the lower paygrade peer group, a few of them were apparently asking for "more control" over their time off, and being able to take ask for days off with no notice because the weather was going to be good (for hunting, for example). When the CO brought the stuff they were saying up to us, the older, supervisor, millenials, we were facepalming and talking about the fucking Zoomers. But then something amazing happened:

The CO said he could see their point, and maybe we take some of those four day weekends and instead give a few "Liberty Bucks" at the beginning of the year to each person, that can be turned in to get a particular day in the immediate future off (like getting the next day off to go hunting). That actually worked really well for us, because it made those long weekends easier to schedule, and spread out the days people would be out.

And I realized we Millenials were just so happy to have what we had, we couldn't fathom asking for something better... but they could, they did, and got it.

Fucking Zoomers indeed. Keep pushing, y'all.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago

The audacity of Zoomers will save the future.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

My personal theory on why old people become miserable conservative pricks is that we're born into this world knowing absolutely nothing, and spend every moment of our lives trying to figure out what in the fuck is going on. Over time, you start to figure some of it out. Then, when you've finally started to get a hold of some shit, and finally start to get into a rhythm of what you're supposed to do, the next generations come in and start changing shit.

People aren't against things being better. But they are against not knowing what the fuck they're supposed to do in life. The problem is the overlap. Changing something for the better means people that spent their whole life doing it one way are now in a state of chaos and uncertainty, which is followed by fear.

So you slowly become conservative, and resist all change.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 years ago

As MellowWheat said, people don't become conservative as they get older. That's a myth. People just stop accepting new ideas and stop thinking they can be wrong. They stop changing basically. They get what they wanted, but once they do they don't want more so they end up just wanting to keep things the way they got them.

Also, even this I don't think is fully true. The boomers and the next generation or two mostly became conservative when they got older, but I don't know if this is necessarily the rule. They were just raised to be selfish. I've seen it with my parents. They just tend to think about themselves and their family first, and things happened to work out because the economy grew with them so almost everyone had enough, but that's not the case anymore. We need more cooperation if we're going to survive.

[–] mellowheat@suppo.fi 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

People stop changing around their 20s typically. But the world around them doesn't stop. This happens to almost everybody.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I don't think it's the zoomies that are particularly different, it's just kids being kids

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 84 points 2 years ago (3 children)

May we all be so fortunate as to have a hand in creating a world in which we are executed as reactionaries

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Yay murdering people over ideology, this has never been a bad thing!

[–] hglman@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Murdering people for harming others, more grey.

[–] boborhrongar@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So you guys aren't even upvoting this like "bro it's obviously a joke" you're upvoting like "yeah no I think we should just murder people who do bad things sometimes, maybe even pretty often."

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I think the disconnect here is coming from the vague "bad things" and "dragging people from their homes."

To me dragging people from their homes conjures up images of Krystalnacht, when the nazis dragged people from their homes for ideologically disagreeing. Ideologically disagreeing isn't "bad things" enough for me to justify murder, thus why I think the nazis did the "bad things," to which the response wasn't dragging nazis from their homes, it was all out war against uniformed combatants and the violence was justified. We did however drag many Japanese Americans from their homes during that same war and put them in camps, which I also think was a bad thing.

So what "bad things" justify political violence? To me, basically genocides/pogroms and that's it. To others it may (and does) mean "wrong opinions" but imo Ideological "first strikes" just make you the "bad guy."

[–] ParsnipWitch@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

Also, in Germany as well it wasn't just against uniformed combatants.

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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

This guy clearly wants the monarchy back.

[–] zeekaran@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 years ago (25 children)

Cool does that mean they're gonna vote this time

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[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 21 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] Username02@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You know which brand of "leftists" like pull this kind of shit right? Yep, red fash, fucking Tankies. I'd be fucking worried if zoomers are actually acting like this.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

If they're red fash I'll be worried, but if they're just going Reign of Terror or Paris Commune or Anarchist Catalonia, I'll accept my execution with good grace.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The reign of terror french were pretty proto-red-fash tbch, people don't exactly consider very often WHY it was where the fiercest resistance to this lang d'oil region centered uprising was concentrated in regions like the basque country, bretton country, and the lang d'oc regions. It wasn't that they yearned for royalist ideals to be reinstated, it was because Robespierre and his even crazier backers were so paranoid by the end that something like movements for language rights were treated as exactly as traitorous as plotting to restore the bourbons to the throne with a counter purge to boot.

Something the modern revolution idealizing french seem to have made fully into one of their "the quiet part" policies with how they implement their version of laïcité.

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[–] boborhrongar@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (5 children)

"Authoritarianism is cool when "the people" are doing it"

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Man tankie is this place's favorite meaningless insult. Y'all use it where it doesn't even make fuckin' sense.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Tankies we're the type to drag "intellectuals" out to cane them, simply for holding a position at a university.

Tankies we're the type in Cambodia to literally kill those wearing glasses.

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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

As always, but boomers did it first.

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[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago

Anyone not getting the reference:

“I dream of a society in which I would be guillotined as a conservative.” – Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

I die happier than I could ever imagine

[–] Bobmighty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Bait. Lots seems to be falling for it too.

[–] spujb@lemmy.cafe 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

is this meme condoning violence or condoning conflating young leftists with violence?

either way this is fucking rancid.

people are being dragged out of their homes to be executed as we speak and none of them by “yesterday’s avant garde.” white supremacy has always been the west’s norm. slavery and economic inequality has always been the norm. violence against those who cannot resist is not edgy or new—it is literally the status quo.

[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

A Biden-supporting, Soviet-hating, Ukraine-backing, US-positive Market-socialist tankie.

Huh. I must be a new breed.

lmao, nice edit. Pretty far from your original stance of "I'm sure this guy is a tankie, I checked his post history!"

[–] randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 5 points 2 years ago

I haven't bothered to check your post history, but assuming that the adjectives you listed are indeed true, I would not consider you a tankie.

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